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virusc
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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add up all the issues together and it is clear what has always been going on and who he really is.
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Chuchuf
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Chuchuf wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | Walter,
You may be right, but I have seen other people sell and push crap on here as well. At least he is refunding the money.
I might also mention that CJ has actually contributed to the forum, as opposed to those that have come here to sell their stuff or those that ask for help in repairing their pj just to sell. I can think of two that fit that latter description immediately. I don't mean to sound like CJ's lawyer, but the other people get my panties in a wad before this. |
Please........you know something is junk because you know the difference, you totally misrepresent it and you sell it anyway......what would you call that? a scam? a con? shady dealings hoping to get away with something? Talk about something that should get your panties in a wad!
Remember we aren't talking about someone who doesn't know any better. In fact I would say that if a newbee does this, no big deal because they don't know any better, as long as they refund.
But for someone who claims to be an expert to do this.......no THATS JUST WRONG and I cannot see anyway anyone could defend these actions.........unless, it's just plain stupidity.
There is (IMO) no other side to this story....... unless (just thought of this) he shipped the wrong tube and intends to ship Kal one that meets the "pristine" condition advertised. But then if that were the case, there wouldn't be a refund.
Let's take me as an example, although I haven't contributed a lot lately, I was a pretty big contributor in the past. I have LOTS of tubes that look bad. Would it be OK for me to put these tubes up for sale as "pristine" to unsuspecting buyers hoping I don't get caught or worst still taking the money and running. Would that be OK because I contributed in the past? Not in my book.
Terry |
I am not going to belabor this as CJ refunded the money. I just don't think CJ tried to scam Kal. I would assume CJ would know that Kal would catch any issues with the tube. But, hey maybe I am wrong.
On another note, I wasn't talking about you as people who don't contribute.
Finally Terry, you need to let go of this hatred you have of CJ. The tube fiasco was six years ago. |
LOL, I haven't said a word about him or the fiasco in 6 years either. I think I did let it go......a LONG time ago.
Do I think this was a scam.......hmmmmmm
I would think that the person who sold these tubes KNOWS the difference between pristine and junk tubes.......so why he would sell those tubes as pristine is beyond me.
So Spanky, if you don't think he was trying to sell junk as pristine (ie scam someone), what do you think he was trying to do?
Terry
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VideoGrabber
Joined: 09 Apr 2006
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Location: Michigan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:48 am Post subject: |
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I suspect he just made an honest mistake.
I'm not sure why we (society) are always so quick to ascribe bad motivations to people, but in this case I'd guess he just looked at them superficially, and thought they looked fine. Or didn't check them in the proper light. Whatever. That's really the only logical conclusion, because it makes no sense that he'd think he could fool most people here... especially Kal (even if he wanted to do so).
So I wouldn't beat him up on this... he's already refunded them, so he wound up losing money on the transaction (shipping). Which if he had seen the problem in advance, he could be pretty sure would be the outcome.
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WanMan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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We all now live in an age where we abuse language. We hype what shouldn't be hyped, because we assume if we do not hype everything it'll be ignored. I am hella-logical.
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ecrabb
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Location: Utah
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| VideoGrabber wrote: | | That's really the only logical conclusion, because it makes no sense that he'd think he could fool most people here... especially Kal (even if he wanted to do so). |
Yeah, but if you want to work this from a logic angle, you could go another way, too... Anybody here who was shipping tubes out to somebody - especially if we were describing them as "minty" and "phosphor condition is pristine" wouldn't logically make those statements unless they'd actually closely inspected the condition of the tubes. Not only do you have your reputation as a seller on the line in potentially misrepresenting something, but you could potentially be eating $30 or $40 in shipping each way. Why risk it? It's called due diligence. Who here wouldn't look things over closely before listing the item, or definitely before shipping it?
So another completely logical conclusion is that he was trying to pawn off some bad tubes hoping somebody would just throw them on the shelf and not look closely at them. He got caught, and refunded the money to save face.
Now, I'm not suggesting that's what happened, Tim because I don't know one way or the other; nobody but CJ knows that. But, there is obviously more than one logical conclusion that could explain what happened. It's hard to believe he'd try to scam somebody here, but it's just as hard to believe that he wouldn't have done his due diligence.
SC
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VideoGrabber
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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You could be right, and I agree that your alternate conclusion is just as logical as mine.  I just tend to believe the best of people, until proven otherwise. I guess that has the potential to make me the patsy sometimes.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| VideoGrabber wrote: | | I just tend to believe the best of people, until proven otherwise. I guess that has the potential to make me the patsy sometimes. |
Not at all a bad quality... Certainly no worse than the person who assume everybody is up to no good. I think I'm probably the same as you in believing people until proven otherwise... Well, OK... When it comes to folks unknown to me, I'd probably call myself cautiously optimistic.
SC
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cmjohnson
Joined: 03 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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This comment may be a day late and a dollar short, but I stand behind what I sell. Except for the horses, of course. If I said it was minty, then I thought it was. I did NOT see those flaws but Kal's pictures are clear enough. They're small and I simply MISSED THEM.
So he said this wasn't suitable and I refunded him in full. That's what an HONEST person would do and I certainly hope I fit that description!.
It does kind of bother me that the tube wasn't actually RUN to see how it would look on the screen. Even if at the very worst case the affected areas generated NO light at all, I'm sure that there are still a lot of people who'd have taken that tube as a big improvement over
one with heavy large area burns all over it.
Heck, how does anyone know that it might have thrown a nearly flawless image, without trying it?
Given the high cost of new tubes, I'd fire up any tube I bought if it even had a ghost of a chance of putting out a good image, before
condemning it as trash.
Speaking of which...did Kal pitch this tube or does he still have it? I've had one or two people ask me about getting the bellows off one
of these but I don't have a good Barco bellows for them. And the green C element may still be worth something to someone.
In any event, I do stand behind what I'm selling. If I know it has an issue, I'll be very clear about that.
What's funny to me is that some people who've participated in THIS topic have said negative things about me when they've never dealt with me, have never made any contributions to the community, and don't have the faintest clue what (or whom) they're talking about.
CJ
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VideoGrabber
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Since you refunded the money, I'm not sure I understand why you didn't get the tube back?
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| cmjohnson wrote: | | Given the high cost of new tubes, I'd fire up any tube I bought if it even had a ghost of a chance of putting out a good image, before condemning it as trash. |
I probably wouldn't... It would be just my luck that something would happen to it - deflection burn, implosion, whatever - when went to test. So, if I wasn't 100% sure I wanted it, back in the box it would go to get returned. That's just me, though.
SC
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VideoGrabber
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, not all of us have a chassis just waiting to have a tube dropped in for testing. If I were Kal, I wouldn't have spent the time to test it either. A huge amount of work to pull the current tube, only to have to put it back again afterwards. That would be nuts.
But I wouldn't have thrown it in the trash, and I doubt Kal did that either.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| VideoGrabber wrote: | | Yeah, not all of us have a chassis just waiting to have a tube dropped in for testing. If I were Kal, I wouldn't have spent the time to test it either. A huge amount of work to pull the current tube, only to have to put it back again afterwards. That would be nuts. |
Yeah, no kidding. I don't have a test chassis either - nor does Kal. I know some guys here are always tearing stuff apart, but my theater is a functioning room... I actually watch movies in it - at least once a week. If I tore my hushbox aport, pulled the cover off, swapped tubes, then had to put it all back together again and redo setup... Who knows how long my theater woudl be down? That would suck... And in Kal's case, it was just a backup - a "nice to have"... So, I can't see how it would be worth the risk of even tearing everything apart. But, again - that's just me.
SC
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cmjohnson
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't ask for the tube back simply because it would have cost me more money to get it shipped back to me, and if I recall, the shipping was over 35 dollars. I alread had to eat the shipping cost ONCE, and lost money on the deal, and I wasn't going to do it TWICE for
a tube that was reported bad by someone whose opinion I do trust.
CJ
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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That makes sense, CJ. I would have done the same.
I'm sure Kal didn't just toss it... If somebody else is interested in it, I'm sure Kal would be willing to pass it along.
SC
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cmjohnson
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, and if they like it well enough to use it and they're happy with it...guess what? That wouldn't seem fair to me.
Frankly I hope Kal broke it in half and threw it in the trash. I'd be ticked off if someone ended up happily using it after all that.
CJ
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kal
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | I'm sure Kal didn't just toss it... If somebody else is interested in it, I'm sure Kal would be willing to pass it along. |
To close the loop since I didn't see these follow-ups (sorry guys!): I disposed of the tube after keeping it around for 8-10 months.
There was no way I was going to spend the time trying it in my projector given that the blemishes could be easily seen to the naked eye through the tinted C element. I've seen a lot of projectors from simulators or other setups where the tube itself looks fine but there's obvious uneven wear when you throw up a picture. IMHO it always looks worse up on the screen than on the tube surface. If you can see uneven wear on the tube surface it'll be much more apparent on the screen. Just my 2 cents.
Kal
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CasetheCorvetteman
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Sh*t.... Ive got a mate that is crying out for P16s too....
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Phil Smith
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| cmjohnson wrote: | It does kind of bother me that the tube wasn't actually RUN to see how it would look on the screen. Even if at the very worst case the affected areas generated NO light at all, I'm sure that there are still a lot of people who'd have taken that tube as a big improvement over
one with heavy large area burns all over it.
Heck, how does anyone know that it might have thrown a nearly flawless image, without trying it?
Given the high cost of new tubes, I'd fire up any tube I bought if it even had a ghost of a chance of putting out a good image, before condemning it as trash. |
"But it might have worked ok anyway." or "But it's a big improvement over a burned tube." is absurd. The tube is either pristine as advertised or it isn't. Nothing else matters. Your excuses makes it sound like you knew of the flaws all along. And why wouldn't you? You don't have to be an expert, even though you sort of qualify as one, to know that tube isn't pristine.
And why would you try to slip this tube by someone like Kal? You should have known someone with his experience would catch it. Not only a pretty sh*tty thing to do, but also pretty stupid.
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mc86
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I missed this thread the first time and hadn't noticed the dates at first...I thought SC forgot "3" for a second and was freaking. (Sad, I know).
That said, man a a lot of stones were thrown here! I've seen enough truth that was stranger than fiction that I believe that pretty much anything can happen. Are there people on earth who act with maliciousness in their hearts? You bet. Is that the norm? Nope, especially not in social environments where reputation matters. To me, seems like CJ made a mistake, a bad one, and did what he could to make Kal whole again. OK, not ideal, but OK. This isn't a profession for the vast majority of us!
Note also: If the participants in a given transaction routinely post to the Good Trader sticky in buy-trade-sell, the aggregate data will be clear over time as to who to trade with.
Bottom line: Will I still buy from CJ (he agreed to sell me a set of 07MS tubes he has on a whenever basis) in the future? Yes. In fact, doubly so! That is, buying from CJ now is best thing you could do! That is, he's bound to be bending over backwards to insure the next deals were flawless AND we know he'll stand up if he make a mistake! 
cheers,
Matt
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cmjohnson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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That reminds me, I do need to get those tubes to you but I have to get more shipping boxes first. I absolutely won't try to ship a CRT without a proper shipping box. The problem is finding the time to do it! Getting them is easy...getting the time to pick them up is hard!
Maybe not every deal I ever tried to make went perfectly, but one thing is absolutely certain: I have a perfect shipping record. Not one
thing I have ever shipped to anyone, regardless of size, weight, or fragility, has ever been damaged in shipping. I KNOW how to pack
things so that they will withstand the rigors of shipping even when UPS is involved.
CJ
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