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perisoft
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: Switch from 42" Tosh RPTV to 36" Sony direct view |
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Our Toshiba 42H83 is in the throes of a nasty case of the wobbles - as far as I'm aware, it's caused by some bad caps buried in there. Fixable, but I have very little time for that kind of thing.
At this point, it takes so long to warm up and have a viewable picture that we keep it on all the time and switch to a blank source when we're not watching anything... 
It's clear that it's going to roll over and die at some point, so I've been casting about for an alternative. Random CRT RPTVs pop up all the time, but they usually have one or another problem similar to the Tosh, which defeats the purpose. Flat panels are too pricey still.
And to this, add that my wife doesn't really like the RPTV, and would prefer something smaller - and that we don't have HD in our living room; we use a standard def Tivo and grab OTA HD in the HT. OMG!
An HD CRT which can zoom letterboxed stuff and will be more forgiving of SD sources seems reasonable. I've got my eye on a Sony (I think) KV-36HS510 on CL; the guy wants $289. I won't go over $200; I can't imagine there's a big demand for 36" TVs that take up a huge amount of space and weigh 250lbs.
Assuming he'll drop to a reasonable price, is there any reason I should avoid this idea, or alternative suggestions?
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AnalogRocks
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Good TV. I had the 32" version. You know that would sync to 1024x768, 1280x720, 1080i only in 16:9 it also did 640x480, 720x480 and 800x600 in 4:3 mode. It it was fun with the HTPC. We watched all sorts of movies on it. I gave it to my mom a couple of years back. She loves it.
The only thing I noted was poor geometry. I never bothered to do a full on alignment. I paid $200 on CL back in 2007 for it.
BTW SD look great. That set ( if it's the same as my 32 was ) should have DRC - digital reality creation. Noise filtering for the incoming SD sources. I think it also had a line doubler build in with 3:2 pull down.
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perisoft
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | Good TV. I had the 32" version. You know that would sync to 1024x768, 1280x720, 1080i only in 16:9 it also did 640x480, 720x480 and 800x600 in 4:3 mode. It it was fun with the HTPC. We watched all sorts of movies on it. I gave it to my mom a couple of years back. She loves it.
The only thing I noted was poor geometry. I never bothered to do a full on alignment. I paid $200 on CL back in 2007 for it.
BTW SD look great. That set ( if it's the same as my 32 was ) should have DRC - digital reality creation. Noise filtering for the incoming SD sources. I think it also had a line doubler build in with 3:2 pull down. |
Any post processing aside from line-doubling is of limited use with tivo over s-video as the input, though. The tivo has pretty lousy NTSC decoding, and it then performs horrible mpeg2 compression on the result - using bandwidth inefficiently to store the crawling dots! Brilliant!
At any rate, that means that the signal out of a tivo is only marginally better than the old youtube. And it doesn't matter how many Digital Scan Hyper Velocity Modulation Creation Reality Interleave Color Process Maximizer Circuity System acronyms Sony throws at it - it's still gonna suck!
That said, a smaller direct-view CRT will probably look a hell of a lot better than a big RPTV, if nothing else because it *isn't* as sharp. Good color is the main thing I'd be after - if I'm going to watch something with sh*t temporal resolution, macroblocking, interlacing, and horrible spatial resolution, the colors might as well be right...
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | Good TV. I had the 32" version. You know that would sync to 1024x768, 1280x720, 1080i only in 16:9 it also did 640x480, 720x480 and 800x600 in 4:3 mode. It it was fun with the HTPC. We watched all sorts of movies on it. I gave it to my mom a couple of years back. She loves it.
The only thing I noted was poor geometry. I never bothered to do a full on alignment. I paid $200 on CL back in 2007 for it.
BTW SD look great. That set ( if it's the same as my 32 was ) should have DRC - digital reality creation. Noise filtering for the incoming SD sources. I think it also had a line doubler build in with 3:2 pull down. |
Any post processing aside from line-doubling is of limited use with tivo over s-video as the input, though. The tivo has pretty lousy NTSC decoding, and it then performs horrible mpeg2 compression on the result - using bandwidth inefficiently to store the crawling dots! Brilliant!
At any rate, that means that the signal out of a tivo is only marginally better than the old youtube. And it doesn't matter how many Digital Scan Hyper Velocity Modulation Creation Reality Interleave Color Process Maximizer Circuity System acronyms Sony throws at it - it's still gonna suck!
That said, a smaller direct-view CRT will probably look a hell of a lot better than a big RPTV, if nothing else because it *isn't* as sharp. Good color is the main thing I'd be after - if I'm going to watch something with sh*t temporal resolution, macroblocking, interlacing, and horrible spatial resolution, the colors might as well be right... |
Yeah, way to sell yourself into keeping the crappy tivo. Blame the T.V. 
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perisoft
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| dturco wrote: |
Yeah, way to sell yourself into keeping the crappy tivo. Blame the T.V. |
Hah!
We don't watch much TV at all - a few random channel-surfing hours per week, and my wife watches 'America's Next Best Dance Runway Crew Loser' or whatever the hell once in a while.
We don't get 'real' HD here - just OTA clear-QAM - and I have a QAM tuner on my HTPC, so if there's anything compelling I just record it there.
The TV is really just a backup. Spending hundreds of bucks on an HD Tivo would be money very badly spent indeed.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: |
That said, a smaller direct-view CRT will probably look a hell of a lot better than a big RPTV, if nothing else because it *isn't* as sharp. Good color is the main thing I'd be after - if I'm going to watch something with sh*t temporal resolution, macroblocking, interlacing, and horrible spatial resolution, the colors might as well be right... |
Yeah the colors are good too. 
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