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draganm · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject:

Guys, calm down, and smoke some more of that. Wink

Let's face it, the consumer (or 'cowsumer' as Wan calls them) demands something new every few months, whether it's working or not, and whether it's Beta tested or not.

As jkruger said, it's like quadraphonic sound was years ago. Every damn magazine devoted pages and pages to it, and in the end it never really took off.

Past 1080p, 3D is really the only place that video could go. Yes, I'll bet that 2160p will come to the limelight within 3-4 years, and those that can will dump their crappy 1080p displays that are state of the art today.

Screw it all, I say. From what I see, give me a 1080i source with an NEC PG over any digital flat screen that I've seen to date. Some flat screens do look impressive, but start looking at what a videophile looks for, and it's still crap.

ecrabb · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject:

WanMan · Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270

I wouldn't classify the negative response to 3D as being angry. Its natural for those to resist something being shoved down our throats. Mr. Green

Like the healthcare reform bill. Thumbs Up

If 3D works for someone and they enjoy it, power to you/them. I just do not want to see where I might have to pay for some of it.

jarseneau · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 323 Location: WI

Interesting discussion about 3D in that I've played with the RealD PC adapter on my then NEC XG with a bunch of flicker and 3D that was at times convincing and others not so much.

As far as the G90, I immediately ordered a Boeing green LUG, moome HDMI v2 card and smiling all the way. After installing the Silenx fan mod, the G90 sounds quieter as well. Kind of a $999 'hushbox' for the XG.

LOTREE · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:04 am Post subject:

My take on this whole Digital craze and having the latest and greatest... "Why bother!". Enjoy your 2D CRT, tweak the hell out of it and enjoy every second of it until a 20th Generation flat screen with OLED, Plasma, etc. comes out that's paper thin, 84"+ wide and you WON'T have the need to upgrade every few years. I'm using my 14" crt computer monitor with TV tuner card for my TV and I'm happy, picture in picture. If i want to watch a movie I used the projector. Until then I'm not buying into disposable electronics with predetermined release points to maximize profits. OLED technology is available now, where's the 60"? Oh, they have to get consumers to buy the back lit LED LCD's first and the new 600hz 3D tv's before that comes to fruition. Top of the LINE CRT was in demand, it was pushed out as fast as technology could at the time as they were selling for $35,000+ each, why the heck not. I spent about $1300 on mine. I could have had a nice LCD/Plasma for that but would I be happy? Not for long as it would be surpassed soon enough with the next series, faster refresh, back lit, thinner, auto picture source sizing, etc. where as with CRT I don't have to worry about any of that, it will take what ever I feed it and not hiccup.

Anyway, that's the end of my March 15th birthday rant... the stout is wearing off now.

dturco · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:25 am Post subject:

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:31 am Post subject:

LOTREE · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:38 am Post subject:

dturco · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:49 am Post subject:

mhalsan · Joined: 09 Nov 2007 Posts: 146 Location: Astoria, Oregon

I think it'll be fun to try 3D just to see how good it can be made to work. The technology itself is more interesting than some of the movies. All of the different methods of delivery, by standalone player or computer, different screen types.......something new to work on. And the falling prices (where this thread started) make this more practical.

But I am absolutely NOT suggesting that everyone else has to want it too! If this doesn't work out, I'll be the first to man up and say so.

Thanks, Mark

mp20748 · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject:

Spent a couple of days on this setup. It represents what a blended 3D setup could look like.

WanMan · Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270

That's one Hellawide screen.

Boilermaker · Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 527

Wow - That really shows how bad the on-off contrast ratio is on those expensive bulb projectors. Even with overhead lights on in the room, the blend zone is grossly obvious.

Glad I'm using a pair of ancient 3-eyed monsters!

Bob

mp20748 · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject:

That wasn't the actual blend zone finished. That was just an initial overlay before I got into working on the blend zone.

But on these digital blends, especially the rear projected ones, the blend zones are much harder to dial in than with CRT. On a CRT setup, you simply do geometry and convergence. Digitals don't have either, so you'll have to manipulate the mirrors and rigs to deal with matching the images. And that's why each mirror has 12 knobs on them. Each knob bends the edge of the mirrors. Each projector mount has about 7 adjustments to tilt or move the projector. And you also have to make sure all the mounts have been equalized to the same angles and throws to both screen and mirror distances.

So a setup like this would make blending on a CRT a piece of cake.

Almost finished blend zone:

drice1234 · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1309 Location: Allen, Texas

You should check out this company. This could get your blend done in a few minutes.

http://www.mersive.com/Video_4-ProjectorCalibration.html

Boilermaker · Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 527

I could see how digital's lack of geometry control would make it a pita!

The TVOne's (and probably 'Zilla) have the ability to raise the black level in the non-blend zone so that there is a match to the elevated black level in the blend zone.

No thanks! I prefer fade-to-black over fade-to-gray in my blend.

Bob

mp20748 · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject:

emdawgz1 · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7949

After sitting thru Toy Story 1 and 2 in 3D..... I don't need or want it!!!

mdg78 · Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Rhode Island

Man, I'm glad I checked this post! I haven't checked around boards for a while, but I too saw Avatar 3D and thought "Why did I just pay for a gimmick?" My wife and in-laws thought I was crazy, and other people I've talked to have thought I was being underappreciative. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the 3D thing was all hype. I guess thats why I have a g90 (yes, that I bought pretty cheap to get back to the OP) and don't really care to go to the theater anymore. Glad there are like-minded people in the world.

Michael