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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: PS3 --> HTPC

Hi!

I'm running a G70 with my PS3 into Moome 1.3.. (1080p) And it looks great!
fH 67kHz
fV 60Hz

Is there something to achieve in using a HTPC instead with this setup?
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject:

I guess if it looks great continue using it. Otherwise if you feel the picture is lacking something that you cannot control through the PS3 then a HTPC may help with more options of tweaking and/or customization with resolutions, gamma control, etc. I have no knowledge of the PS3 capabilities so I can't really comment further.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:23 am    Post subject:

The big advantage of HTPC is active-area scanning for improved sharpness and even-multiple scan rates for reduced judder (smoother motion).

For film sources, you can run 48hz, which will reduce bandwidth, improve sharpness, and more importantly make for smoother pans and other full-frame motion.

Active area scanning is cropping scope to display only the center portion of the 16:9 image, reduce bandwidth, and increase sharpness.

Personally, I'm pretty happy with my 1080p/60 image from the PS3... HTPC isn't worth the expense and hassle to me at this point, but some people swear by it.

Maybe in a year or two when I can pick up a decent used machine for $200, throw a BD drive in, and play, I'll give it a whirl.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:50 am    Post subject:

Another advantage to an HTPC is with a media server is you can have access to your entire movie collection with a few clicks of the remote. I have about 250 blu-ray ripped movies all episodes of several HD TV shows residing on my server I can play any of them within seconds.



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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:01 am    Post subject:

Ok Thank's!
I have tried it out some and i think 720p 72hz was really nice to moome..
Further experiments to come Smile
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject:

MikeEby wrote:
Another advantage to an HTPC is with a media server is you can have access to your entire movie collection with a few clicks of the remote. I have about 250 blu-ray ripped movies all episodes of several HD TV shows residing on my server I can play any of them within seconds.



Mike


You can do this with a PS3 as well... Doesn't look as pretty with movie cases I guess...

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:18 pm    Post subject:

Ben851 wrote:
MikeEby wrote:
Another advantage to an HTPC is with a media server is you can have access to your entire movie collection with a few clicks of the remote. I have about 250 blu-ray ripped movies all episodes of several HD TV shows residing on my server I can play any of them within seconds.

Mike


You can do this with a PS3 as well... Doesn't look as pretty with movie cases I guess...


I didn't think a PS3 could connect to network shares....Guess you learn something new every day.


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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject:

Mike, what software are you using for your media server, or is this the media center software out of Windows? I have not seen Windows 7 yet. I managed to snag a nice rack from work for a $1, and I've been tossing the idea of building a server or two for picture and movie storage. It would be nice to get rid of the movies out of the room and have them available at a click of a button.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Sparky015 wrote:
Mike, what software are you using for your media server, or is this the media center software out of Windows? I have not seen Windows 7 yet. I managed to snag a nice rack from work for a $1, and I've been tossing the idea of building a server or two for picture and movie storage. It would be nice to get rid of the movies out of the room and have them available at a click of a button.

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http://www.mediabrowser.tv

MediaBrowser...It's a free plug in for WMC I just use it to launch MPC-HC...The nice thing about it goes out to the web and finds all the meta data & poster art about the movie automatically. You can search by actor, director, genre or release year. You can pool all your network shares together to look like one big drive, no need to mess with RAID or WHS. A share doesn't even have to be on the same PC to be included in your library.



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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject:

For the past year I've been using Media Portal and it's working great. Like anything that's great it's heavily customizable, so it is a time commitment to learn but it looks awesome! It auto grabs imdb info, fanart and more.

here's a couple of pics of the skin I use called streamedMP, or click here for all of them
http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/streamedmp-301/new-streamed-mp-v1-0-rc2-13-mar-2010-supports-mp-1-1-0-rc1-79351/







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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject:

MikeEby wrote:
I didn't think a PS3 could connect to network shares....Guess you learn something new every day.

It doesn't - well, not technically anyway. The PS3 is a DLNA client, so it just sees whatever you're sharing with whatever DLNA server you have setup, and whatever content you have shared, regardless of how it's connected.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject:

akajester wrote:
For the past year I've been using Media Portal and it's working great. Like anything that's great it's heavily customizable, so it is a time commitment to learn but it looks awesome! It auto grabs imdb info, fanart and more.

I was playing around with MediaPortal... Had some issues, so I tried something else, had some issues with that, then I tried Boxee. I've been playing with that for the last couple of weeks, and I really like it so far. I like Boxee because of all the plugin "app" support... Everything I've tried actually works so far, too. YouTube HD, Vimea, Pandora... I don't think it's all easily customizeable like MediaPortal or some of the others, but I don't need anymore projects.

I don't have a very good HTPC right now, so I'm just farting around, more for streaming from ABC, Hulu, etc. than for anything else. Boxee also has a really sweet remote app for iPhone/iPod touch, too.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject:

I too don't have a proper HTPC yet, but I did take a spare laptop early last year and played with both XP Media Center and then Media Portal. I had issues with both. None would download the Eagle Eye imdb info. It could have been my crappy copy of XP Media Center, not sure. I'll have to try it again with a newer machine and Windows 7. I tell you what, my initial farting around wiht it didn't look anything like those screen shots. That looks phenominal, and exactly what I'd like to do with my movie collection! I don't care so much for any DVR features, or even the weather stuff, but just having a digital library of my movie collection and even a mode for displaying our digital photos would be great.

My sticking point is buying an Oppo BR player, or using that $500 to build a nice HTPC wiht a BR player built-in. I looked at the PS3 route, but DNLA doesn't seem to be enough. I want to have the same video and sound reproduction as if I played the disc on a stand-alone player.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:44 pm    Post subject:

Sparky015 wrote:
I don't care so much for any DVR features, or even the weather stuff, but just having a digital library of my movie collection and even a mode for displaying our digital photos would be great.

OK, this is going to be interpreted as critical... I'm not being critical, here - really... But, I'm really surprised at the level of interest in duplicating an optical media library in online storage... Hundreds of dollars in drives and hours and hours of ripping to save a few seconds of loading a disk? How many times do you guys watch the same movie? I mean, I barely have time to keep up with the one or two TV shows I watch, and the handful of NEW movies I try to keep up with... I've practically quit buying movies, other than a few real keepers and kids movies, because I can't even keep up with all the new stuff I want to watch.

I guess I can see keeping some "party" movies queued up if you entertain, but I don't know anybody that watches the same movie over and over more than maybe once or twice a year... And in that case, how long does take to walk over, grab a movie off the shelf, put it in the player and press "play"? 60 seconds?

Are you guys doing it more for hobby/geek/fun appeal? I think I could understand that... I'm just wondering if anybody is actually watching the same movies over and over?!?!

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject:

Your missing one thing, and that is the "shelf" that all of those movies are sitting on. I don't have a dedicated theatre with a special closet for the movies. My "theatre" shares space with the family room. Therefore I don't have a dedicated spot in my theatre/family room for a huge shelf for over 300+ movies. By digitizing, I can box all of them up and store them away. Rack mount the components in the basement, now all you see is a screen and PJ in the room.

I also do like to watch movies over and over. I enjoy watching movies a whole lot more than TV. I watch the same one maybe 2-3 times a year. My main motivation is just getting some space back, not laziness of having to load a disc. I don't mind that at all.

Now you ask, why buy the movie? The answer is, I pick them up used for hte same price a a rental from my local Blockbuster store. Why pay to see it once, when you can pay the same amount and own it? Even my critical wife who thought I was crazy that I watch the same movie more than once finds her self watching her favorites over and over again.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject:

OK, storage space... I suppose that makes sense.

Of course, you could still store all the keep cases and just put the discs themselves alphabetized into a couple of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Targus-CityGear-Capacity-TDP018US-Contrasting/dp/B000I3XIEO

$60. Boom. Done in 1/50th the time (no ripping). Obviously, no cool factor whatsoever, and not as fast as a remote control, but it's a whole lot cheaper! Wink

I get buying vs. renting - I used to buy a lot, too... But, where are you buying used BD's for the same price as renting? I can rent for under $5/ea. (a lot less if we're talking Blockbuster or Netflix), and anything remotely not back catalog is going to be 2-3 times the price to buy.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject:

Very good point, and to be honest, this is probably what I will be doing for a while. I have a nice little bookshelf for all the movies, but it's full now, and by ditching the entertainment center and old-school CRT TV and converting to a screen and PJ, it just takes up to much valuable space. Ditching the cases and doing something like this is probably my plan of attack, short term. I am definitely not a rich man! Heck, I wasn't even planning on rack mounting my components, but I scored a rack from an employee auction at work for a $1.
I have to admit, I just started buying BDs back in November, and I've been pretty selective. I never pay full price. My wife and I have an agreement, as long as the movie is under $10, I'm good. At first I thought I was getting screwed, but just a little effort, and I am seeing deals. For example, I got I Am Legend for $9.99 at Target. I got a few others from my grocery store for $9.99 as well. Blockbuster, their BDs are still on the scarce side for buying, but it's getting better. I ususally wait to score them when they offload their excess discs. They always have 3 for $25 deals or 2 for $20. So far I've only been burned twice with buying what I thought was a good movie, only to find it's total crap. Not a bad record.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject:

Saving storage space make sense, but what a lot of people really seem point to as the reason for ripping everything to terrabyte arrays is to "save time". Like what MikeEby said:

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Another advantage to an HTPC is with a media server is you can have access to your entire movie collection with a few clicks of the remote. I have about 250 blu-ray ripped movies all episodes of several HD TV shows residing on my server I can play any of them within seconds.


Yes, you have them at your fingertips within seconds, but there's quite hours and hours of work ripping them initially so overall it takes much much longer.

Like SC mentions, the 1 minute it takes to walk over and plop in a movie which you then watch for 2 hours doesn't seem relevant.

To me media servers with terrabyte arrays only make sense in a few situations:

1. Lack of space to store the movies physically near the home theater (this was brought up).
2. Coolness/geek factor. It's definitely cool to be able to flip through titles on the HTPC.
2. Someone doesn't want to pay for the movies (stealing).

To say that it's done to "save time" really doesn't make any sense IMHO.

The one big issue I have is the extra compression/reduced resolution that's often used. Some of the screenshots above mention 720p so the movie's been compressed. Unless it's done carefully (requiring many hours) you're likely to get compression artifacts too. Bit-rate's also an important factor (and one of the reasons why I hate broadcast HDTV). I love Blu-ray for the extremely high bit-rate possible and lack of macroblocking and other compression issues. From what I understand, to avoid having a movie take up 20-40 Gigs on a hard drive, many people compress it lot. That to me doesn't make any sense for large screen HT use.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject:

Ok, here is a question. Is there anyone out there that has racked their components outside of their viewing space and still loads the movie manually? If I rack mounted the gear, the rack would most likely go below my family room in the basement. Again, for 1-2 times a week I would watch a movie, walking down the basement to shove in a disc is not a big deal to me. Especially if the cost of a server and HTPC is way up there. Yes, there is the ripping time (I had to do it with iTunes when I first got my iPod too). Just curious what the masses are doing.

In Kal's post, I definitely fit in category 1 iwith a hint of 2. I like the simplicity of a standalone player, because with it comes the warm and fuzzy that it will play with no hiccups. Nothing is worse than seeing artifacts, or a skippy movie due to a bug wiht Windows or something.

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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:37 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
Yes, you have them at your fingertips within seconds, but there's quite hours and hours of work ripping them initially so overall it takes much much longer.

It takes about a 45 seconds to setup a rip, about 3 or 4 clicks and typing the name of the movie...Then 30-60 minutes for the process to compete.
kal wrote:

To me media servers with terrabyte arrays only make sense in a few situations:

Storage space is an issue I'm currently at about 7 TB total last time I checked I have about 1 TB if free space, so I'll have to be adding more storage soon.

kal wrote:

The one big issue I have is the extra compression/reduced resolution that's often used. Some of the screenshots above mention 720p so the movie's been compressed. Unless it's done carefully (requiring many hours) you're likely to get compression artifacts too. Bit-rate's also an important factor (and one of the reasons why I hate broadcast HDTV). I love Blu-ray for the extremely high bit-rate possible and lack of macroblocking and other compression issues. From what I understand, to avoid having a movie take up 20-40 Gigs on a hard drive, many people compress it lot. That to me doesn't make any sense for large screen HT use.


I agree I keep blu-ray rips 1:1 with no video encoding except I do re-encode audio HD audio to bit-perfect FLAC. You can keep the HD audio untouched, since my Pre-Processor is an older unit that cannot decode the newer formats I convert to FLAC and output analog. FLAC or untouched HD Audio are an option in the software. I do remove all the extras and save only the movie which saves some space.

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In Kal's post, I definitely fit in category 1 iwith a hint of 2. I like the simplicity of a standalone player, because with it comes the warm and fuzzy that it will play with no hiccups. Nothing is worse than seeing artifacts, or a skippy movie due to a bug wiht Windows or something.


My HTPC is in the same room, the Remote and Keyboard are both RF so they could be in a different room. The only time I do need to go to the keyboard is when I'm doing something other than playing media. Recently I got hooked on the TV series "Lost" so I got caught up watching Season Six online from ABC.com. The quality wasn't too hot and the interface was terrible.

Actually the commercial player for a PC are very buggy, the free players running off a media server are extremely stable, I can't remember the last time I saw a hiccup. Since I've put in the server setup often times when I have guests over I let them decide what movie to watch by just browsing them. Windows 7 has made the setup of an HTPC a breeze. I recently reloaded my HTPC with Windows 7 and it took about 2 hours to fully setup. My HTPC is a very simple setup, many only used to watch blu-ray rips.

One thing also like doing is going down to the theater and only watching my favorite scenes from movies. With media server it's a really quick to jump from movie to movie.

An HTPC/Media server isn't for everybody. For people that like to tinker like many CRT owners little they can be fun.

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