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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: Massive sale on Radiance video processors (up to $1520 off!) |
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Hi guys!
We're having a massive Radiance Video processor sale until end of March! Save up to $1520 on the new Radiance XE and Radiance XS.
RadianceXS is now priced at $2475 until end of March ($1020 off)
RadianceXE is now priced at $3475 until end of March ($1520 off)
To order see: www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm
These are phenominal video processors as most of you know, problem is that most people had issues swallowing the $5K price - I know I did! With the introduction of the 'XS' (identical to the 'XE' but with less inputs) and this sale, you're paying HALF that amount. All of a sudden the price enters into the realm of 'reasonable'.
You're buying directly from SpectraCal (authorized reseller) and the units are shipped direct from Lumagen. The "+" options is availble too to do1080p/72/75. (IMHO, 1080p/72/75 is really only something that Sony G90, Barco Cine9/909, and Marquee 9500 owners should be considering).
We ship anywhere in the world of course.
Kal
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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 8990 Location: Colorado
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Massive sale on Radiance video processors (up to $1520 o |
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| kal wrote: | | (IMHO, 1080p/72/75 is really only something that Sony G90, Barco Cine9/909, and Marquee 9500 owners should be considering).Kal | IMHO, 1080P @72Hz is beyond what a 10 to 15 year old stock, untouched 9500 can do as well.
Sweet processor though, Nice to know Lumagen labs is still catering to the CRT crowd. Pretty sure the DLP/LCD guys do not need 72Hz.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Massive sale on Radiance video processors (up to $1520 o |
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| draganm wrote: | | kal wrote: | | (IMHO, 1080p/72/75 is really only something that Sony G90, Barco Cine9/909, and Marquee 9500 owners should be considering).Kal | IMHO, 1080P @72Hz is beyond what a 10 to 15 year old stock, untouched 9500 can do as well. |
Possibly. I didn't want to go into the gory details...
| Quote: | Sweet processor though, Nice to know Lumagen labs is still catering to the CRT crowd. Pretty sure the DLP/LCD guys do not need 72Hz.  |
Correct. On the order page (www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm) I say:
| Quote: | What is the Radiance XS/XE+?
The Radiance XS+ and XE+ models add 1080p/72Hz and 1080p/75Hz support. This is only useful for owners of high end CRT based display equipment such as the Sony G90, Barco Cine9/909, or Electrohome Marquee 95xx CRT projectors. If you never plan on having a high end CRT based display there is no need for the "+" model. The "+" model does nothing for digital displays.
72Hz refresh allows you to run film at exactly 3x the native rate at which film is shot (24 frames/second) instead of at the usual 50 or 60Hz. Running at even multiples of the native rate eliminates motion 'judder' which some people find annoying. CRT based displays flicker too much at 24Hz and 48Hz, requiring the use of 72Hz refresh rate. Flicker at lower refresh rates is not an issue on digital displays so 72/75Hz support is of no use for digital displays. |
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WanMan
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270
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Is it really a question of need? I do not see where there might be an unjustified benefit for them to not consider it. Can someone explain this to me? Is it that the DLP/LCD projectors are not capable of n X 24FPS? If this were the case then it still has nothing to do with need.
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 18114 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | | Is it really a question of need? I do not see where there might be an unjustified benefit for them to not consider it. Can someone explain this to me? Is it that the DLP/LCD projectors are not capable of n X 24FPS? If this were the case then it still has nothing to do with need. |
Digitals that can do 72Hz can also do 24Hz or 48Hz so there's no need for 72Hz. Digitals don't flicker at 24 and 48 so ne need to pay extra for 72hz.
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HaydnG90
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Would screen shots be useful to see the visual benefits of 72Hz vs 60Hz. I'm having a hard time justifying $2500 without actually seeing some definitive improvements.
A few threads here and on AVS have some great screen shots which I'm sure accurately reflect what is seen on screen in person. How hard would it be to do a split screen...one half at 60Hz and the other at 72Hz?
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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | Would screen shots be useful to see the visual benefits of 72Hz vs 60Hz. I'm having a hard time justifying $2500 without actually seeing some definitive improvements.
A few threads here and on AVS have some great screen shots which I'm sure accurately reflect what is seen on screen in person. How hard would it be to do a split screen...one half at 60Hz and the other at 72Hz? |
No. Not useful at all I'm afraid.
The reason people want to go from 60 to 72 means that you're eliminating 3:2 pulldown so that motion is smoother. You can't capture motion with screenshots since screenshots are static.
Film is shot at 24 frames/second. TVs usually run at 60 frames/second (Hz). To get 60 from 24 you need to apply 3:2 pulldown which causes motion "judder" that bothers some people more than others. If you run film at multiples of 24 you don't need to use 3:2 pulldown so the motion "judder" goes away.
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HaydnG90
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So what's the return policy on these units?
To be honest I'm not all that sensitive to motion judder as much as issues with gamma and absolute black and don't notice it much watching a movie.
Is reduction in motion judder the only benefit or is resolution improved too? When I switch from 60Hz to 72Hz on my computer monitor, resolution and clarity of the desktop seems to get better. Would the same be seen with the projected image?
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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | So what's the return policy on these units?
To be honest I'm not all that sensitive to motion judder as much as issues with gamma and absolute black and don't notice it much watching a movie.
Is reduction in motion judder the only benefit or is resolution improved too? When I switch from 60Hz to 72Hz on my computer monitor, resolution and clarity of the desktop seems to get better. Would the same be seen with the projected image? |
I've asked about the return policy... stay tuned!
Be aware that the main reason to use a Radiance is not for getting rid of judder: It's the fantastic scaling, multi-point greyscale adjustment, gamma adjustment, colour management system, noise reduction... (the list goes on).
I don't know why your monitor gets better when going to 72Hz from 60Hz. Probably less flicker.
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draganm
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| HaydnG90 wrote: | | To be honest I'm not all that sensitive to motion judder .........................and don't notice it much watching a movie. | I don't notice 60Hz judder much either but when I do it is very annoying. It's almost always always on Pans, the camera will sweep across a beautiful land-scape and what I see instead looks like a bed-sheet blowing in the wind.
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| kal wrote: | | HaydnG90 wrote: | So what's the return policy on these units?
To be honest I'm not all that sensitive to motion judder as much as issues with gamma and absolute black and don't notice it much watching a movie.
Is reduction in motion judder the only benefit or is resolution improved too? When I switch from 60Hz to 72Hz on my computer monitor, resolution and clarity of the desktop seems to get better. Would the same be seen with the projected image? |
I've asked about the return policy... stay tuned!
Be aware that the main reason to use a Radiance is not for getting rid of judder: It's the fantastic scaling, multi-point greyscale adjustment, gamma adjustment, colour management system, noise reduction... (the list goes on).
I don't know why your monitor gets better when going to 72Hz from 60Hz. Probably less flicker.
Kal |
Yep, there's a lot about that unit that makes it really great. I never really liked processors and really did not see a need for one, but that was before we connected Craigs unit to my setup. Now it's on my MUST Do list.
Unlike everyother processor that I've ever seen or evaluated, that unit was the first to not make my test patterns look worse. And it does whatever it does so well, that the test patterns were even TIGHTER and more defined.
There was just something very special about the image, and to be able to actually see a processor in action that did not blur the lines at the highest rate we put in it, was also something very special about this unit.
It just made the image look so much better, and I'm not sure why it does, but it does!
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kal Forum Administrator
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Maybe it's because I'm not flush with cash, but even at the reduced prices, I would expect it do a little more than just be a processor, but be a full blown AV receiver. Maybe it's because I've never seen one in a setup before. I was actually thinking of going to a Denon AVR-5308CI that can handle video processing and my audio driving needs at the same time. It's probably not as stout as a Radiance, but if my source is an Oppo, which has the same video processing chip as the Denon, aren't you limited by the source processing anyway? Looking for feedback on this. I have not ventured that far into high-end yet.
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HaydnG90
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| kal wrote: | | HaydnG90 wrote: | | So what's the return policy on these units? |
No return policy is offered on the Radiance unless something is either defective or broken in the unit. In both cases it would have to get approved from Radiance with an RMA number and fall within their product warranty.
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That's unfortunate. With the necessary '+' upgrade I'd be looking at a $3K outlay with no way back should it not meet my needs. The majority of high end resellers offer a return policy of some type on A stock units so I don't understand Lumagen's stance here. I'd even be happy to pay a nominal restocking fee.
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kal Forum Administrator
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Sorry about that. I think your best bet would be to read reviews and see if it meets your needs or talk to people who own one. There are a few G90 owners here on the forum who use them. Maybe start a new thread on it?
The Radiance is generally regarded as the best scaler/video processor out there by everyone I talk to so you know you're getting the best. That's not the issue I think. The question becomes one of "is the extra $$ worth it to you". That's a hard one to answer I'm afraid.
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HaydnG90
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Well there are a couple of well respected calibrators and tweakers who have nothing but praise to heap on these units. Since I trust their opinion these radiance scalers definitely do have something to bring to the table. Just hard to quantify that's all, without seeing one first hand.
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kal Forum Administrator
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Agreed 100%. With video equipment it's at least somewhat easier to quantify performance. The worst is audio equipment: You really need to hear it for yourself. My current set of speakers were fairly expensive and my local rep didn't carry them for that exact reason - they don't sell many. "But we can order them for you if you pay us!" I was told. Hmm, that seems sort of backwards.
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Nashou66
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I do not own a Radiance but i have their HDP( used with Mitsu RPTV bought from Craig Rounds) and an HDQ for the CRT PJ and just bought another Used HDQ so I can have CMS and 21 point gamma control independently for Both PJ's in my Blend. I had a DVDO VP50 for about a week on loan in my theater and the Lumagen was just a nicer looking image, less ringing on edges. The VP50 has a better GUI but the Gamma and CMS controls rock i the Lummies, They have a scaled down version from what the radiance has. So if the radiance is their flag ship i wish i could have them in my system from my experience with their legacy units.
I would consider the Radiance like a great AMP in your rack, you build everything else around it. While other units may change you always keep the Radiance as the main piece of gear, it is would definitely be a reference pice in my system.
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kal Forum Administrator
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kal Forum Administrator
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| Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi guys!
Never say never... the Radiance Video processor sale is back! Save up to $1520 on the new Radiance XE and Radiance XS.
RadianceXS priced at $2475 ($1020 off)
RadianceXE priced at $3475 ($1520 off)
To order see: www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm
You're buying direct at a special CurtPalme.com discounted price. The XS+ and XE+ versions are also available for those of you with high end CRT projectors that want to do 72Hz!
If you missed the sale last time now's the chance to get in on it!
Kal
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