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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:19 pm Post subject: Lumagen 72Hz Special Edition Radiance XE and XS Processors!! |
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I have been working under the guidance of Lumagen to help bring you guys a Radiance processor that is capable of running full 1080p 72Hz (and beyond). After collecting data for a few months I finally presented my findings to Lumagen. Yesterday, Jim Peterson of Lumagen announced they will indeed be producing Radiance Special Edition processors that are capable of full 1080p 72Hz!!!
Here is the direct quote from Jim Peterson:
| Quote: | We have decided to do a special 1080p72 and 1080p75 version of the RadianceXS and RadianceXE. We are going to charge a $500 US MSRP adder for this. If you have a Radiance already you can send it in for the mod and we will do it for $500 plus shipping. This includes testing your unit at speed and replacing the board if your particular unit is not fast enough for these higher rates.
New units will have our standard 1 year limited warranty. Mods will have a 90 day warranty.
We will handle upgrades in the US and Canada. I am contacting Gordon Fraser in the UK to see if he will handle the mods in Europe.
Please call us if you are interested (503-574-2211)
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You can also go to Lumagen's support page at http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=support so send them an email.
So you can now order a new XE or XS Radiance processor with the SE option for an additional $500. Or you can send your existing XE or XS processor back to Lumagen. For $500 plus shipping Lumagen will upgrade your existing processor to the SE version.
There are both hardware and software upgrades that are required to run 1080p 72Hz. A regular edition processor is not capable of running the high clock rates on its own, and it must be upgraded before it can do so. The special edition features will not be active unless you have an actual special edition unit.
So finally we have full 1080p 72Hz capability out of the best home theater VP on the planet. I have been very excited about this for a long time and now that it is here I am so elated. It's really something watching your favorite film based content at full 1080p 72Hz. I've actually gone back and started watching Battlestar Galactica (re-imagined) over again from the start and the improvement is truly striking
I am soooo happy.
craigr
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Jim just sent me an email saying that Lumagen has decided NOT to call the 72Hz Radiance processors "Special Edition" after all. Instead, they will be called the XE+ and XS+. Minor details
craigr
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Well that's a plus
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MikeEby
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | Well that's a plus  |
Posts like that are how he rose to over 15k.
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hehe
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | Well that's a plus  |
Funny
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Sometimes it's just to hard to resist.
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CIR Engineering
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| kal wrote: | Does the XS+ exist? It would seem that Lumagen's site only talks about the XE+.
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Yes, the XS+ does exist. Just ask Lumagen for it when you order. Jim will make it.
craigr
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mp20748
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Craig made it by today and he had a Lumagen with him.
I'm not a scaler processor type of person, and really saw no real need for one since you can get High Res directly from a Blu Ray player.
Of the ones I've seen in action in the past, the only one I've been been impressed with was the VP-50, but neve to the point of wanting one for myself. And based on the cost of these units, the reason for having one could never be justified enough for me to eve consider one.
However, today was a real eye opening when Craig connected his Lumagen up to my 9500LC.
At first we had it hooked up 1920x1080P /60hz. Then Craig noticed that it would be best at 24hz into the Lumagen. After switching to my Sony BDP-360 Blu Ray player and putting it into 1080P /24hz, into the Lumagen and running the output of the Lumagen at 1920xd1080P /72hz everything I had ever thought about a processor changed.
My 9500LC interpolated the 1080P /72hz and without any adjustments to the projector, the image i saw on the screen stunned me. It was tight, bright and very sharp. Even sharper than anything I've been able to get using 1080P /60hz
Not so long after seeing the Lumagen in action I asked Craig to find out what one would cost.....1080P /72hz is now a must have for me. And since the Lumagen does it so well, owning a Lumagen is now tops on my list.
That Lumagen Craig had today ROCKS!!!
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Nashou66
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I was hoping some day Mike you'd see the Value in a Video processor, Now you can get rid of the ringing in your image and work on low end gamma with the Lumagens. Ever since Craig calibrated my Mitsubishi 9inch CRT RPTV with a HDP i was hooked.
Did he do a complete calibration with it? If not , wait till you see what can be done. Now is the time to pic one up as they are running a special.
Athanasios
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WanMan
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Great! Now for those fortunate folks that can afford a projector (and modifications?) and this processor it will be a nice treat for them.
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mp20748
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I was hoping some day Mike you'd see the Value in a Video processor, Now you can get rid of the ringing in your image and work on low end gamma with the Lumagens. Ever since Craig calibrated my Mitsubishi 9inch CRT RPTV with a HDP i was hooked.
Did he do a complete calibration with it? If not , wait till you see what can be done. Now is the time to pic one up as they are running a special.
Athanasios |
I've seen a many processor in action, but only a few impressed me after running my test patterns through them. before yesterday, the VP-50 was the only one that I've seen to not distort the patterns in one form or another. And with that, it was never enough to justify spending the money for something that basically really made things better in a few areas I was not that concerned with. Plus, the ones I have seen do 72hz, did not do it that well.
The Lumagen that Craig had wasn't perfect, but it's pluses far exceeded anything I could have expected from a processor. Under a very critical eye, the only thing were could find that made to unit not perfect was a slight noise that may even not be noticed by 95% of the people using it. and may also be something that would fall in the "normal" ratting for all processors, but anything that gets in Craig's hands, ends up being under very critical review. And if it come my way, we usually look at it and try and figure it out.
Overall, that small anomally may only be present at 1080P 72hz, and it apperas to be something that most likely we'll be able to resolve with an external HDMI filter board. It looks like clock noise that's usually runs along the cable and finds it's place in an analog circuit. the problem does not exist on a digital projector at all.
With or without the problem being solved, getting my hands on one of these units s a MUST for me. And as picky as I am, I wouldn't have a problem at all living with that slight noise issue if I had to.
The unit itself performs so well, I'm sure I'd not have a problem even noticing the noise. which is also common on every other processor I've seen handle the higher scan rates.
It is the first processor that I've seen actually make the test patterns appear cleaner. And I can see why Craig said 1080P /72hz looked good on his G90 even without the bandwidth mods. The unit produces a signal so clean that it should look good on any CRT projector.
When we first put the Lumagen at 1080P 72hz into my Marquee, without touching anything, it was razor sharp. And the sharpness was throughout the image the way i like it, unlike what I've noticed with other processors, it does not dirty up the signal in any degree. it's just plain clean and clear even at the very highest rate we ran it at.
I was drooling and thinking about what it would look like once I dialed the focus in at 1080P 72hz which is always necessary when you go to a higher scan rate.
We used my lowly Sony BDP 360 @ 1080P 24hz in, and that produced the most perfect 1080p results I've ever seen. And it did so even at 1920x1080P 72HZ.
Craig also chose a lower rate at 72hz which he says was better for the projector. And with that resolution, it was a bit sharper in the foreground, but not the depth and dimensional experience you get at 1920x1080P.
Oh, and we did not touch the projector..
Finally - a processor that does not muck up the signal!
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | The Lumagen that Craig had wasn't perfect, but it's pluses far exceeded anything I could have expected from a processor. Under a very critical eye, the only thing were could find that made to unit not perfect was a slight noise that may even not be noticed by 95% of the people using it. and may also be something that would fall in the "normal" ratting for all processors, but anything that gets in Craig's hands, ends up being under very critical review. And if it come my way, we usually look at it and try and figure it out.
Overall, that small anomally may only be present at 1080P 72hz, and it apperas to be something that most likely we'll be able to resolve with an external HDMI filter board. It looks like clock noise that's usually runs along the cable and finds it's place in an analog circuit. the problem does not exist on a digital projector at all. |
This is one of the reasons Mike and I have so much fun together... I find a problem, and Mike finds a way to fix it. The noise is mild, but I have been irritated by it for two years. I am looking forward to Mike getting a unit so he can work on the fix and then I will be able to test and confirm
craigr
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AnalogRocks Forum Moderator
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Thanks for being so picky! Without nuts like you guys this hobby wouldn't be where it is today.
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mp20748
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: |
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A few quickies with the Radiance now in the chain. all shot at 1080P 72hz. I'll do more later once I get the PJ dialed in and calibrated to the scan rate...
1920x1080P 72hz
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mp20748
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: |
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A few more done with convergence off - straight from the camera - Un-touched!
1920x1080P 72HZ - UNCalibrated
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CIR Engineering
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| Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Looking good buddy. Now fix your geometry man
craigr
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