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[Mark_A_W]

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Mark opined:
> Anything 2D, no matter how good, is junk. <

???

Is this a joke? I know you're not shy about making bold, and sometimes hyperbolic statements. But this seems a bit over the top, even for you.

(from a John Wayne film: "That's mighty bold talk, for a one-eyed fat man." )

[Mark_A_W]

Have you been to see Avatar?

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The Marquee user's manual mentiones 3D capability, with a short-persistence "P43" green tube. I'd guess these are either rare or incredibly expensive.

At what framerate will the standard green phosphor start to lag? Assuming a 3D video processor that lets the user select the framerate, us CRT owners could at least try this.

Thanks, Mark

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Mark_A_W asked:
> Have you been to see Avatar? <

Not yet, but I seriously doubt it will be so phenominally good as to cause me to flush the 8,000+ HD films I currently have in my collection, in the "obsolete" and "junk" 2D-format.

I guess I'll have to wait and see, literally.

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[Mark_A_W]

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Mark_A_W wrote:
> Whatever. You guys have your opinion, and I have mine. <

Actually, I don't have an opinion yet. I just found your statement quite surprising (it was a more extreme reaction than I expected, or have seen from anyone else), and wanted to see how seriously you meant it. Thanks for sharing.

[cinema mad]

[yonexsp]

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Like it or not, I don't think 3D is going anywhere. It's the next big thing, and we as consumers are going to get it, whether we want it or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/05/espn.3d/index.html

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Discovery has already announced their upcoming 3D channel, in conjunction with IMAX and Sony.

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Does it seem surprising to anyone else just how fast the hype has ramped up on 3D, and how quickly everyone is jumping on the bandwagon? I know that vendors are always looking for the "next big thing", to try and cash in, and keep the public spending. And I know that the movie industry in particular is disappointed at soft sales of both DVDs and Blu-rays, and is hoping that being able to push 3D movies into the home in high volumes (and likely at premium prices, as well) will increase their bottom-lines.

But at the same time, I keep getting a sense that they're anxious to quickly take advantage of an opportunity to exploit something that may wind up being just a passing fad... and any delay would mean they lost out. Normally, most new stuff takes a while to ramp up... and they're going at this like gangbusters. Maybe I'm wrong, and this is simply because they have nothing else compelling to hang their hats on, ATM.

But, does anyone else get this feeling as well?

[VideoGrabber]

In their Predictions for 2010, the HT Guys have the following to say about 3D:

Ara: "3D Will be Forced Upon All of Us - So you just bought your first HDTV in 2009 and your loving it! The manufacturers will have you believing that you are already behind the times. 3D gives manufacturers the opportunity to sell you more equipment at premium prices. To date I have not seen a 3D movie that doesn't give me a headache. While movies like Avatar demonstrate the capabilities of the technology it will be quite some time before there are enough movies around that make an investment in 3D worthwhile. Regardless, look for a full court press pushing this technology."

And Braden says: "3D in the home will flop - 3D in the home will go the way of SACD and laser disc. It will work great, and really please a small group of people, but won't make it much further than that. People won't rush out to buy new TVs. Many of the movies that come out on Blu-ray will include a 3D version, but you'll simply get it for free with the regular Blu-ray and most people won't use it."

[ecrabb]

I agree. I'm actually REALLY surprised at how fast/hard/strong this is happening. I mean, HDTV is FINALLY reaching decent market penetration, and now the CEA is pushing yet another standard that requires complete replacement of all existing display hardware (at least on paper). That surprises me. This isn't going to be like a $250 BD player, either... These are going to be MAJOR purchases of nearly $1000 and on up. It's going to be another two years before there are enough displays to even talk about.

The other way to look at it is that the CEA wants to get this into the market as quickly as possible, because every month that goes by, it's another million NON-3D HDTV's in people's living rooms.

SC

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Rather than denegrating Mark (who HAS seen 3D) for expressing his opinion, based on preconceptions I might have, along with things I've read (when I HAVEN'T seen 3D, yet), I'd prefer to encourage him to share more information about his experience. What especially was good about it, what not so good, and whatever potential downsides he perceives.

Don't beat the guy up for telling us what he thinks. And to be clear, I wasn't challenging your statements, merely requesting clarification. Even if your enthusiasm later becomes tempered and more moderate, that doesn't invalidate your initial excitement with a new experience.

Why, in particular, do you think 2D is now "junk"? Doesn't 2D have it's own set of advantages, including clean, clear imagery, excellent color, freedom from viewing fatigue, and when well shot and displayed, it's own sense of dimensionality and image depth?

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SC commented:
> The other way to look at it is that the CEA wants to get this into the market as quickly as possible, because every month that goes by, it's another million NON-3D HDTV's in people's living rooms. <

Yep. That's actually a really good point. You can't have a market for 3D content, without displays to view it on. So for every non-3D display sold, that's another nail in 3D's coffin.

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