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[snkby]

current setup is :


bluray/hddvd/hd tuner -> 5-in 1-out hdmi switch-> 35ft premium bluejeans hdmi/dvi cable -> gamma x -> hd fury I-> rgbhv breakout -> marquee8000 input 1

laserdisc/vcr -> yamaha avr s-video inputs then s-video monitor output -> htpc s-video input -> 25ft vga/rgbhv silver-plated copper conductors with 99% copper shield cable -> marquee8000 input 2

i just got a -focus enhancements cs-2- scaler.

i can do a pass-thru of all the hd sources through the scalers dvi in/out ports.

i can do the s-video sources and the htpc vga into the scaler and then output over a dvi/dvi cable to the fury I and the gamma x.

my questions are :

1) should i get rid of the gamma x and do the gamma correction in the cs-2 ?

2) i can do picture/phase shift in the cs-2 but where do i begin with my marquee phase shift to make it neutral ?

thanks!

[JustGreg]

I had a CS2...it's a bitch to get it to do much of anything 'modern'. As far as I can remember it doesn't do gamma, only contrast and brightness. It's been a long while since I had it tho.

My biggest gripe was the HDCP handshaking issues and the fact it wouldn't transcode for a damn. I got alot of sync error messages from the pj (Marquee 8500)
Overall I found it raised the IRE of anything I put to it; almost to the point where output looked like a digital pj. I sold it and bought a moome card (v1). I'm still using the moome and also got a GammaX. It's a budget solution but so much better than what I had.
As far as phase goes....let the Marquee do it. You'll need a new memory for everything you feed to Input 2 anyway so it's no big deal but if you depend on the CS2 to handle phase you'll be adjusting it for every source. Kinda kills spontaneous device switching when you have company over.

[snkby]

gah.

i was hoping it wasnt going to be just a doorstop.

your help was about as complete an answer as i could have hoped for.

the problem with the marquee doing the hprizontal phase shift is that as it get to where it needs to be the colors start to get funky and if i go farther then i get some awful banding.

thats why i was hoping i could do the shift in the cs-2.

thanks again for the great answers.

namaste

[JustGreg]

Banding and color distortion with phase? That's.....uncommon, to say the least. Your pj has other issues that need to be addressed. Curt, Mike Parker, Nashou, Draganm...and others, are the guys to talk to about what exactly might be going on at the board level.

I would suggest doing a full reinitialization and then a real good physical alignment of the pj to screen, then a 'from scratch' magnetics 101 setup. Clean all chips, connectors, etc.

The Marquee's are extremely forgiving of poor setup so I can't see how even a bad one (setup) could cause color shifts/smears. Banding while shifting with a poor mag and/or convergence setup... possibly. But not color abberations at the same time. (I don't think...the guys will calibrate me if I'm wrong).

Post the pj manufacture date and the board numbers (it sucks to get them all but it's important...you may have boards that aren't compatible) and you'll get alot more help from the pro's.
Color shifting and banding are two entirely different subsystems so I'm at the end of my experience how they would play off each other. I'm curious what the guys find out tho.

Sorry about the CS2 info. It was an OK scaler in it's day but it has no place in a modern HD theater simply due to it's aged design.

[snkby]

thanks again.

the banding issue was researched a while ago and found to be a -normal- thing when the phase was shifted to a great degree.

the hdfuryI makes you shift the image and when i shifted the image enough to center the image i got all this weird banding i posted about that led me on a wild goose chase looking for bad boards/connectors/etc.

i found that when i shifted the image back a bit the banding decreased and then i found a sweet spot where i had the image almost centered and no banding.

the phase shift is at 53 and if i go to 54 the banding starts.

even with -53- there are about 4 shifts that can occur before the number changes to -54- and its within -53- that i can get the almost-centered image and no banding.

like i said earlier i was hoping to shift the image in the cs2 instead of the pj.

might just have to buy me a moome card for xmas.

[ecrabb]

I don't know Marquees at all, but could you just use a new HD Fury III to get your image centered?

SC

[snkby]

i could but the moome card is so close in price that it just wouldnt make any sense to not get it.

but thanks for the idea.

[jkruger]

Buy a component that is usable only in your PJ or one that can be used with almost any display? What if the PJ dies and you have to get something else? Isn't there a 50 dollar trade-in on the hdfury1?

[AnalogRocks]

If you already have the HDFury1 why not just add a Box1040 to center the image? OR pick up a nice scaler used off ebay.

[AnalogRocks]

If you already have the HDFury1 why not just add a Box1040 to center the image? OR pick up a nice scaler used off ebay.

[snkby]

because i would be adding yet one more device to the video chain with the 1020 and 2 devices if i do the scaler also.

so all that vs installing the single moome card with all the mp mods.............not a difficult decision for me.

but thanks for the thought anyway.

[Nashou66]

The M8000's do do what he described. I would get the Moome for now and keep an eye for a Lumagen Vision HDP or even the older Vision with the dvi ins and outs. It can be fooled to accept 1080p@24 and at least scale it to 800p@72 for scope BD movies. 1.78 will be able to be used at 1080p@60 I am pretty sure.


Athanasios

[snkby]

ok

im really starting to wonder why everyone is so against the moome card.

is there something i should know ?

everything ive read in the forums has me thinking its the best solution.

there seems to be a lot negativity towards it so now you guys are making me doubt that it is the best solution.

so whats so wrong about installing the new moome card with the mike parker mods ?

[Nashou66]

[draganm]

[snkby]

8110 in the garage that i want to use with my 8000 tubes as they are in much better condition.

ive been waiting because if im going to swap tubes i want to do the colored glycol mod before putting them into the 8110 chassis.

i have enough sony 187 tubes to do the glycol change.

is the new moome card with the mike parker mods not worth the extra $200 vs the original card ?