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HD 10E = HFQ 900?

 
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: HD 10E = HFQ 900?

I just opened one of these 2002 vintage Ultras that I got in, and the HD10E lenses sure look like the Cine 9 HFQ 900 lenses. A front plastic barrel, metal housings for everything else.

Just curious, can someone confirm?
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: HD 10E = HFQ 900?

Curt Palme wrote:
I just opened one of these 2002 vintage Ultras that I got in, and the HD10E lenses sure look like the Cine 9 HFQ 900 lenses. A front plastic barrel, metal housings for everything else.

Just curious, can someone confirm?


Yep, 10E is a HFQ 900 or to better put it, an HFQ900 is a 10E

There are the exact same lens
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject:

Thanks!
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:55 pm    Post subject:

I have seen some people claim that the HD120 is also the same lens?

I am looking for a set of HFQ900 lenses or an equivalent.

craigr

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
I have seen some people claim that the HD120 is also the same lens?

craigr


Nope.

The HD10E or HFQ900 lens has a screen width from 7ft. out to 72ft.

The HD120 lenses are from a group, that has a range from 10ft (HD120) - 14ft (HD180) and 29ft (HD300)




The HFQ900 covers the entire range of that group and more than twice the range of the HG300.


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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject:

wouldnt the hd10gt17 (hd120) be just as good as the hfq900 when using a screen width of 2.5 mtr?
both 12lp/mm

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:18 pm    Post subject:

dvh99 wrote:
wouldnt the hd10gt17 (hd120) be just as good as the hfq900 when using a screen width of 2.5 mtr?
both 12lp/mm


No. nothing out there is in the same camp as the HFQ900 lenses.

It's really an entirely NEW lens system.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:41 pm    Post subject:

I still find it strange that the front barrel is plastic. that really takes away from that 'expensive' lens feel. Smile
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
I still find it strange that the front barrel is plastic. that really takes away from that 'expensive' lens feel. Smile


They sure don't make things like they used too.

I read somewhere on this forum that the plastic was used to reduce the effect heat might have!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject:

thats what i thought how else would it support such a large range of screen diagonals.
is there an extra lens inside and if not how is it done that they got such a wide range.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: HFQ900

I have always wondered about the plastic front barrel - in agreement with Curt, not the
finest feel. But when you consider the tooling costs to injection mold the GRP and then
the jigs required to precision machine it to such tight tolerances, it seems more likely that they may
have had an engineering reason rather than cost savings, since it had to cost considerably
more to make the change. And the only reason I can think of would be related to thermal stability.

A very fine lens set regardless...And, I personally tested good focus down to much less than 6 foot screen width.

I think that the HD120 is actually a HD10GT, and is not in my experience the same as a HD10GT17.
My recollection is that Terry succeeded in gently removing the Barco sticker on a HD120,
and found a US Precision Lens sticker for HD10GT. My comparison was that the HD120 was
more limited in screen sizes, although very good in its range.

G
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: HFQ900

zGman wrote:
I think that the HD120 is actually a HD10GT, and is not in my experience the same as a HD10GT17.
My recollection is that Terry succeeded in gently removing the Barco sticker on a HD120,
and found a US Precision Lens sticker for HD10GT. My comparison was that the HD120 was
more limited in screen sizes, although very good in its range.

G
I found same HD10GT label under my BG1200 HD120 sticker, no mention about 17 and can't say if it's same or not.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:20 pm    Post subject:

Have a question my HFQ900 lenses have part of the front coating gone, its like someone put a piece of tape on them and when they removed the tape it lifted a piece of the coating. Is there anything that should or could be done?

Steve
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject:

studio wrote:
Have a question my HFQ900 lenses have part of the front coating gone, its like someone put a piece of tape on them and when they removed the tape it lifted a piece of the coating. Is there anything that should or could be done?

Steve


They are toast, send them to me immediately! Laughing

You shouldn't see an issue on screen wiht the coating missing, do you? You should be able to use as is. I've had lenses in the past that had some of the AR coating removed on the outer lens and I didn't see it on screen at all.

If you wanted to try and repair it, I would give 3M a call. I know they sell a lens coating. You may be able to repair it. If you can't see it on screen though, I would leave it be and enjoy them.

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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject:

Exactly you may make things worse by over spraying AR coating material. If you can't see an effect on screen leave it alone.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject:

No, I can't see it in the picture. When the lights are in the room it catches you eye.
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Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject:

the only thing you can do is send them to some company that can add AR coatings like Z C & r coatings

http://zcrcoatings.com/ar-coatings/

I am not sure how much they charge but after reading their site it looked promising.

I contacted them once about the same issue on a set of HD10 GT 17's. they only waned the lens to be treated. So if you can not take the lens off i am not sure they will do it for you. And even then they had to evaluate it so it wasn't 100% sure thing.

Athanasios

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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:57 am    Post subject:

Put it on the Blue tube and don't worry about it.
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