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macgyver655
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Alright, I'm have to speak here. This really sounds like an anomaly called herringbone. Now this could be caused by a filtering issue in a power supply, or an outside source. It has been found that outside power lines and even transmitting stations miles away can cause herringbone in display devices. The fact that it affects your phone when the projector is on could merely be that the projector is modulating the primary anomaly to the cell frequency.
This could be confirmed by moving the projector to another part of the house or other location to see if it goes away. Sorry
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | When exactlay did you tell me that? If you Knew the history then why didn't you say so back here.
http://curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187002#187002
And why did you agree to mod it?
100% remember. Now your saying move on. Thanks a lot.
I sure didn't know about it being shorted-out when I bought it. |
I personally told you about this set. I also told you that the problem was solved and at this point (a few operational) years later, that the set was fine. I said that based on it working for the past few years before you bought it.
So that you'll know, I projector can be removed from operation simply because it was exposed to serious electrical damage. The fact to that is that the insurance company agreed.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE SET IS DAMAGED OR "SHORTED"
I think you should move on because I think you're not prepared to deal with CRT. And I say that because ANY CRT can have a problem, just like ANY digital can (and do). But it's all in how we deal with it.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | When exactlay did you tell me that? If you Knew the history then why didn't you say so back here.
http://curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187002#187002
And why did you agree to mod it?
100% remember. Now your saying move on. Thanks a lot.
I sure didn't know about it being shorted-out when I bought it. |
WOW that sucks!!! If it was a known it could possibly be a bad PJ then Why do Mods on it? That is rule #1
never modify a PJ that is not 100%. it should have been run for at least a few months Dave before anything was done to it. That way you can definitely see if it was a Moded board that causes any new problems.
lets hope you get it going again, and its not a bad board and just what Mac says, herringbone could be a problem
from near buy radio antennas. but if it did not do this before any mods then i go back to what i said earlier inthis thread.
Some section on the VIM can amplify radio signals if altered too much, so you need an un-modded Vim to check for sure.
Athanasios
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mp20748
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: |
This could be confirmed by moving the projector to another part of the house or other location to see if it goes away. Sorry |
The problem is RF (verified by how it interferes with his cell phone). Isolating that particular problem is not best done at his house.
I offered to troubleshoot the problem for him for free, but it would be best to bring it to me. instead of doing that, he prefers to start another thread..
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | Alright, I'm have to speak here. This really sounds like an anomaly called herringbone. Now this could be caused by a filtering issue in a power supply, or an outside source. It has been found that outside power lines and even transmitting stations miles away can cause herringbone in display devices. The fact that it affects your phone when the projector is on could merely be that the projector is modulating the primary anomaly to the cell frequency.
This could be confirmed by moving the projector to another part of the house or other location to see if it goes away. Sorry |
Hi Mac, Mike has said it's herring bone which I brought up in the static thread just not here. That is what I am trying to get rid off that herring bone.
I've been playing nice because mike has been helpful. But this problem was not there before the last round of Mike's Mods.
And I wasn't told about the previous owners problems that Mike JUst Dropped on me until just now.
I will try to stay off of that topic.
I guess I'll have to try moving it but that defeats the purpose off having a dedicated room. Is there any other things I could do?
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mp20748
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: |
WOW that sucks!!! If it was a known it could possibly be a bad PJ then Why do Mods on it? That is rule #1
never modify a PJ that is not 100%. it should have been run for at least a few months Dave before anything was done to it. That way you can definitely see if it was a Moded board that causes any new problems. |
The set was working fine for YEARS after the power problem at the previous owners house...
| Quote: | but if it did not do this before any mods then i go back to what i said earlier inthis thread.
Some section on the VIM can amplify radio signals if altered too much, so you need an un-modded Vim to check for sure.
Athanasios |
he clearly indicated that the set was turning off his cell phone, meaning it had a serious noise problem.
And I LOANED him a stock VIM that also produced the same noise - that was also mentioned.
And to sum up what was already mentioned on another thread, most of the boards were ALREADY tested or swapped!
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mp20748
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: |
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And I wasn't told about the previous owners problems that Mike JUst Dropped on me until just now.
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I clearly told you about this when you where here. I told you that it had happened years ago, so there's no need to be concerned.
And I also offered to dial down or restore the changes I made to your neck boards, but you did not want me to do that.
And the NOISE IS NOT present when I put those same boards in my 9500LC or my test unit - it just does not show up here!
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Nashou66
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Dave herring bone can also be ground loops but you said everything is on the same circuit. so do this, unplug all sources from the Marquee. now look at the internal test patters, start at low frequencies using the internal frequency menu and move up the list to see if herringbone is there all the time or just at certain frequencies.
Athanasios
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: |
This could be confirmed by moving the projector to another part of the house or other location to see if it goes away. Sorry |
The problem is RF (verified by how it interferes with his cell phone). Isolating that particular problem is not best done at his house.
I offered to troubleshoot the problem for him for free, but it would be best to bring it to me. instead of doing that, he prefers to start another thread.. |
I asked you if I could bring it over to you 2 hours ago. You said let me mail you a yoke to try another test. I agreed then you told me about this short problem.
Don't try to act innocent now. You knew something that should have kept you from working on this machine at all, but your now trying to deflect that part and pushing it on me personally.
If you still want to help I will bring the machine to you for further evaluation.
sh*t happens. All I want is to be made whole.
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macgyver655
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I'm jumping in blind here since I haven't been following any other threads. RF can be very difficult to isolate. So if you disconnect all inputs and pull up an internal menu are the lines there?
The reason for moving the display is just to verify if its the location causing the problem.
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | I'm jumping in blind here since I haven't been following any other threads. RF can be very difficult to isolate. So if you disconnect all inputs and pull up an internal menu are the lines there?
The reason for moving the display is just to verify if its the location causing the problem. |
Yes, no sources applied, but only above 1080i frequencies.
Nash, the mods were done only 2 months ago 6 months after I bought it.
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nuttall_chris
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If you want to get CRT stuff fixed, send it to Curt...If you want to never see it again, send it to Mike....
Mikes one of the main reasons I got out of CRT...
Chris.
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | If you want to get CRT stuff fixed, send it to Curt...If you want to never see it again, send it to Mike....
Mikes one of the main reasons I got out of CRT...
Chris. |
Thats not a problem here. Mike has always worked on the stuff fast. This is just a stumbling issue of a vide noise Herringbone. Infact this was about parting it out because I was frustrated Where did the conversation shift? I don't even know.
WTF?
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately it could possibly be a location issue. Being mad at Mike at this point may not be wise because it may have nothing to do with its history. It may have something to do with your house. I would take him up on his offer to check it out at his place. You may take the projector there and it functions fine with no lines. You'll then see it had nothing to do with him. And the lines may have actually been there before and you may have just not noticed them. I always try to avoid blame until the problem has been identified. 
Or if the problem is in the projector it would best be solved with him. I know I would not do this kind of service at location unless I knew it was a location problem.
Even if it is identified to be something with your house location there are things that could be tried to eliminate it. But it needs to be verified first.
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | Unfortunately it could possibly be a location issue. Being mad at Mike at this point may not be wise because it may have nothing to do with its history. It may have something to do with your house. I would take him up on his offer to check it out at his place. You may take the projector there and it functions fine with no lines. You'll then see it had nothing to do with him. And the lines may have actually been there before and you may have just not noticed them. I always try to avoid blame until the problem has been identified.
Or if the problem is in the projector it would best be solved with him. I know I would not do this kind of service at location unless I knew it was a location problem.
Even if it is identified to be something with your house location there are things that could be tried to eliminate it. But it needs to be verified first. |
I agree Mac. I am not Mad at Mike, a little upset about this brown out thing he brought up but I am not mad about the issue of the herringbone. Mike has been as accommodating as his schedule allows. I believe it is best kept with him because as far as I know he is the only person to touch the electronics on it since the previous owner had it. I of course did the bellows, and had Mike do some more mods.
I really don't even now how this parting out thread went in this direction?
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mp20748
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | If you want to get CRT stuff fixed, send it to Curt...If you want to never see it again, send it to Mike....
Mikes one of the main reasons I got out of CRT...
Chris. |
I agree, send your stuff to Curt, because as so many already now. I don't offer repairs on the forums. I send them all to Curt.
The exception has been when I felt bad for someone who has purchase a Marquee that had my work in it and I've offered to help them out for free....
Hmm, that's exactly what happened here as well..
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | nuttall_chris wrote: | If you want to get CRT stuff fixed, send it to Curt...If you want to never see it again, send it to Mike....
Mikes one of the main reasons I got out of CRT...
Chris. |
I agree, send your stuff to Curt, because as so many already now. I don't offer repairs on the forums. I send them all to Curt.
The exception has been when I felt bad for someone who has purchase a Marquee that had my work in it and I've offered to help them out for free....
Hmm, that's exactly what happened here as well.. |
C'mon Mike I am not saying you haven't been helpful. But Free is relative, I did pay for the last round of upgrades. They may have uncovered another underlying problem. I don't know.
This thread was going fine up to you brought in a history lesson of dubious importance.
Lets just stop this and get back to the issue of the herringbone.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | I am frustrated right now, and lets be honest I have been working on this for almost 9 months to get it "almost right".
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Well then what are you complaining for? You're already half way there. 
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | I am frustrated right now, and lets be honest I have been working on this for almost 9 months to get it "almost right".
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Well then what are you complaining for? You're already half way there. |
Stick in the eye type of guy.  
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| dturco wrote: | I guess I am leaving the impression that GOZER isn't working. It works but has an annoying wavy line problem that only shows up in the picture every so often, but on the tube face always. And has RF noise that cuts off my cell phone.
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Well that's perfect! A cell phone scrambler built in like some of the 'real' movie theaters so there are no annoying calls. 
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