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Whats in that potted crap?

 
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macgyver655



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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Whats in that potted crap?

Ever wonder whats really inside a HVPS? This is an early model Ampro. Yes I was bored today. This is the best I felt like cleaning it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Mac. I was wondering what was in there. What is there is not what I expected. But I don't really know what I expected either, but it wasn't that. I guess I was thinking like a toroid or El coil? Not that I would have a clue but it's nice to know.

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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Judging by those poor capacitors, you sure have a dusty shop. Smile

I've got a couple of late model Ampro 3600 LVPS coming your way along with a parts unit. THey are leaving tomorrow.

I'm also working on an Alpine car amp. One of the SMT switching chips overheats, then a couple of the channels shut down.

I put on my best soldering suit, and managed to install a new upC 494 switching chip, which does exactly the same thing. Go figure. I was all proud of myself too, swapping out the SMT chip.

No luck finding an Alpine schematic online, so I'm going in with the uPC 494 data chip to see why this thing is running hot. THe unit is a 5 channel amp, and there's two identical SMPS in the same amp, so hopefully I'll nail it. If not, let me know if you want a go at it. It's a really nice amp, but I think I overheated it under my seat a few years ago. Before the switching chip overheats, the amp channels it is powering work fine, then they start distorting as the chip shuts down.

It's kinda cool I can (barely) put my finger on the hot chip, my finger acts as a heatsink, and the channels start working again.
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Tom.W



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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject:

The high voltage duadrupler circuit.......

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-voltquad.html

The output voltage is approximately 4 times the input voltage but less current.


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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject:

BTW, if you have an inductor ringer, check the transformer between the HVPS section and the LV section. My theory is that teh transformer has shorted turns in it, killing the switching circuit, and thus no HV.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:28 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
BTW, if you have an inductor ringer, check the transformer between the HVPS section and the LV section. My theory is that teh transformer has shorted turns in it, killing the switching circuit, and thus no HV.


Is that what was wrong with this one? No high voltage? The other one was marked good.
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:55 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
If not, let me know if you want a go at it.


Sure, send it down if you want. Smile
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject:

Drawing.........

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macgyver655



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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:44 am    Post subject:

Thats pretty cool Scott. Got any of them for the newer supplies?
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject:

Potting Material:



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macgyver655



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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Potting Material:



nashou


I dont think thats for high voltage, is it? I just read it quickly.
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject:

Not sure, but i didn't look to well either.

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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Not sure, but i didn't look to well either.

Athanasios


I actually have a couple HVPS potting material formulas. I'm pretty sure I have Spellmans but I'd have to look. It was awhile ago.
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