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macgyver655
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I think the splitter that you state having is the key to its current function. Is this just a VGA Y connector or a vga splitter box?
Is it currently working and you have it displaying on 2 projectors?
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Tim in Phoenix
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| macgyver655 wrote: | I dont think this device will do what you are thinking. And I think this is what Tim was referring to. The usual blending devices take 1 image input and then outputs it in 2, 1/2 picture outputs to the projectors.
I believe this device takes 2 separate image inputs and then outputs the separate images to the projectors. Think of it like you take 2 cameras and place them side by side with a common center point but wider view then by themselves. Then take each image and send it to the device, 1 input from one camera and the other input from the other camera. Each output would be from the common input. Then you blend the 2 images at a common center point and produce 1 panoramic picture.
Is this what you were referring to Tim? |
Exactly, like two feeds from two computer graphics cards, no switching or scaling.
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ginger123456
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Macgyver655
I still do not understand why the mention of a splitter has anything to do as to the function of this unit, the unit can perform on a single feed to one projector feeding sxga images at stereoscopic frequencies up to 1280 x 1024 @ 120Hz, or if the unit is to provide inputs to two separate projectors then each input requires the same signal to process, passing this feed to each projector output on the unit after processing various complicated processes not just the blend but complicated warps and control over Gamma and the blend black level areas.
So the word splitter might be the wrong choice of word how about utilising the outputs of a dual head graphics card to feed the same signal to both units inputs A and B.
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ginger123456
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I did not mention switching or scaling in my original post there are lots of devices that can do the job between source and the panomaker unit, yes this unit does neither, so what!
Ginger123456
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KellenerSptM5
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I guess I should chime in here considering I have one of the units in question. Tim, the units were specifically made to either be used in a single input, single output for high display rates >100Hz or a two in, two out mode for lower rates <100Hz. There are two image channels/processors within the box, but they can be linked to handle the above mentioned higher refresh rates. The control software allows you to crop the image for each separate channel, thus giving you two sides to the image, Left/Right. Then you can do all of the blending within the software (blend zone gamma, blend zone area, blend overlap, global gamma, etc) and output a blended image. Its not a hard edge blending unit like you're implying, it's definitely a soft edge blending unit...
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ginger123456
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your comments Kellenersptm5,
Guys I am very much a newbie at this, I better get reading up on the difference between a hard edge blend unit and a soft edge blend unit.
Its good to find another forum member who has one of these units, so the question is how do you rate this device? is it overly complicated for a newbie like me to learn?, have you in the past used these units in a proffesional capacity?, or did you start like me with very little knowledge on these units?
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ginger123456 wrote: | Thanks for your comments Kellenersptm5,
Guys I am very much a newbie at this, I better get reading up on the difference between a hard edge blend unit and a soft edge blend unit.
Its good to find another forum member who has one of these units, so the question is how do you rate this device? is it overly complicated for a newbie like me to learn?, have you in the past used these units in a proffesional capacity?, or did you start like me with very little knowledge on these units?
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Hey dont get me wrong Ginger. If it was me I would be trying every way possible for it to work also. I'm just trying to get an understanding as to how in functions.
The crop issue would of been my next thought if the split signal worked. I wasn't sure if you had enough geometry to expand the images to lose half the pic. Is it actually a crop feature or just stretching it out.
Now to confirm my assumption of why I said the splitter is the key.....if you only hookup 1 input, will it output to both projectors?
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KellenerSptM5
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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It is actually a crop feature, anything cropped is removed from that image channel, lowering the bandwidth required on said channel. You split the image before it reaches the Panomaker box, then you put the split image into Input 1 and Input 2 as labeled on the Panomaker box. It will output two channels, Output 1 and Output 2 as labeled again. It can handle both analog and digital inputs/outputs through both DVI and VGA.
The splitter is not actually splitting the image in two, just the signal. You will have to crop from within the Panomaker software to make the two halves of the picture for blending...
| macgyver655 wrote: | | ginger123456 wrote: | Thanks for your comments Kellenersptm5,
Guys I am very much a newbie at this, I better get reading up on the difference between a hard edge blend unit and a soft edge blend unit.
Its good to find another forum member who has one of these units, so the question is how do you rate this device? is it overly complicated for a newbie like me to learn?, have you in the past used these units in a proffesional capacity?, or did you start like me with very little knowledge on these units?
Ginger123456 |
Hey dont get me wrong Ginger. If it was me I would be trying every way possible for it to work also. I'm just trying to get an understanding as to how in functions.
The crop issue would of been my next thought if the split signal worked. I wasn't sure if you had enough geometry to expand the images to lose half the pic. Is it actually a crop feature or just stretching it out.
Now to confirm my assumption of why I said the splitter is the key.....if you only hookup 1 input, will it output to both projectors? |
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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This works the same way as the Tv-ones and the analog way units. From the manual it looks very similar to what Tv-one does but it might have a bit more control in the blend zone with actual ability to alter the blend curve for each half independently along with the blend zone size. the best thing i could tell you is to just play with it till you figure it out and read and re read the manual over a few times.
But first you need to be able to change the parameters in the software and upload them to the unit, otherwise your stuck with what was there before.
Athanasios
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | The splitter is not actually splitting the image in two, just the signal. You will have to crop from within the Panomaker software to make the two halves of the picture for blending... |
I know the splitter wont split the image into 2 halves. The reason I'm asking about the type of splitter being used is because a regular wire type splitter significantly attenuates the signal reducing picture strength on both output. An actual vga box style splitter has internal amplification for the signal loss to maintain picture strength.
Now if the panomaker box was designed to also accommodate a split signal (not image) input then it would have internal amplification for the signal loss. Is there a gain adjustment for the inputs?
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KellenerSptM5
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No, they specify using an Extron with gain... Like a DA2...
| macgyver655 wrote: | | KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | The splitter is not actually splitting the image in two, just the signal. You will have to crop from within the Panomaker software to make the two halves of the picture for blending... |
I know the splitter wont split the image into 2 halves. The reason I'm asking about the type of splitter being used is because a regular wire type splitter significantly attenuates the signal reducing picture strength on both output. An actual vga box style splitter has internal amplification for the signal loss to maintain picture strength.
Now if the panomaker box was designed to also accommodate a split signal (not image) input then it would have internal amplification for the signal loss. Is there a gain adjustment for the inputs? |
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macgyver655
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| Nashou66 wrote: | This works the same way as the Tv-ones and the analog way units. From the manual it looks very similar to what Tv-one does but it might have a bit more control in the blend zone with actual ability to alter the blend curve for each half independently along with the blend zone size. the best thing i could tell you is to just play with it till you figure it out and read and re read the manual over a few times.
But first you need to be able to change the parameters in the software and upload them to the unit, otherwise your stuck with what was there before.
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Athanasios
These units go way beyond a regular blend unit. There were designed for VR along with extreme curved screens, domed applications along with almost any shape style screen you can think of. The warping feature is extreeeeeeeme.
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macgyver655
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | No, they specify using an Extron with gain... Like a DA2...
| macgyver655 wrote: | | KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | The splitter is not actually splitting the image in two, just the signal. You will have to crop from within the Panomaker software to make the two halves of the picture for blending... |
I know the splitter wont split the image into 2 halves. The reason I'm asking about the type of splitter being used is because a regular wire type splitter significantly attenuates the signal reducing picture strength on both output. An actual vga box style splitter has internal amplification for the signal loss to maintain picture strength.
Now if the panomaker box was designed to also accommodate a split signal (not image) input then it would have internal amplification for the signal loss. Is there a gain adjustment for the inputs? |
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SO now we're getting somewhere. An amplified split input signal along with image crop and it sounds to me like its a usable device for what you want, Ginger.
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Nashou66
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Yeah i bet that be cool to play with on a two Crt's you could do some really cool crazy sh*t ! i was talking about how they implement the blend feature. its similar but i bet with a more sophisticated algorithm from what the manual shows. Looks like they have more options. I didn't read if the warping and blending can be done together? if so WOW super cool!
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KellenerSptM5
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Yea, the warping and blending can be done together. It's pretty advanced... I could throw together some screens, but I'm too lazy right now to go down to the basement and get them.. lol.
| Nashou66 wrote: | Yeah i bet that be cool to play with on a two Crt's you could do some really cool crazy sh*t ! i was talking about how they implement the blend feature. its similar but i bet with a more sophisticated algorithm from what the manual shows. Looks like they have more options. I didn't read if the warping and blending can be done together? if so WOW super cool!
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ginger123456
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | Yea, the warping and blending can be done together. It's pretty advanced... I could throw together some screens, but I'm too lazy right now to go down to the basement and get them.. lol.
| Nashou66 wrote: | Yeah i bet that be cool to play with on a two Crt's you could do some really cool crazy sh*t ! i was talking about how they implement the blend feature. its similar but i bet with a more sophisticated algorithm from what the manual shows. Looks like they have more options. I didn't read if the warping and blending can be done together? if so WOW super cool!
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kellenersptm5 Some pics would be great, could you tell me what your system consists from source device to the panomaker to the pj's as this would give me some idea as to the way ahead, also what panoram software version are you using on the control pc, many thanks.
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I wonder if the Moome 4 input in x dual output (plus HDCP stripper, but nobody uses it for that) could be used to drive the Panomaker V? I don't know if it amplifies the selected source for the dual outputs.
In fact, is the Panomaker V HDCP compliant?
I would love to play with one of these, to see if it does edge blending any better than my Diventix-8022.
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ginger123456
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| wkosmann wrote: | I wonder if the Moome 4 input in x dual output (plus HDCP stripper, but nobody uses it for that) could be used to drive the Panomaker V? I don't know if it amplifies the selected source for the dual outputs.
In fact, is the Panomaker V HDCP compliant?
I would love to play with one of these, to see if it does edge blending any better than my Diventix-8022. |
Hi Wkosmann
No the Panomaker is not HDCP compliant as it was manufactured 2002/03, I know you will need a scaler between the source and the unit itself. Thanks for the offer of a swap with your Diventix deal done  only joking.
I am at the very early stages of play with this unit as I said in an earlier post its not a plug and play device and I am having difficulty communicating with it from a separate control pc, at the moment its about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
I do not not know enough about the Moome device to comment but you would need as you state some form of HDCP stripper device to be able to pass content protected media through to the panomaker.
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