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WanMan
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Guys, all I'm saying is that trying to judge a speaker without considering all other aspects of the equation seems asinine. While I like the way my Paradigms sound, I am sure they'd sound differently if I changed the processor and amplification. This can and should be said about any scenario, so why talk only one component?
BTW, I also listened to the equivalent PSBs, at the time, and they also seemed flat to me, but then again that could have been the equipment that was attached to them. And it is nice that I was comparing speakers in the same price range, but all the local dealers had them connected to equipment from sub-$500 to $2K in one store, to $5K and above equipment in another.
How the he!! is someone suppose to make that kind of comparison?
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emdawgz1
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| ecrabb wrote: | | bbfarmht wrote: | | If I can remember Cliff has the KLF-30's. That is one of the reasons I have damn near settled on Klipsch. |
Cliffy's KLF-30's sound awesome, indeed. But, you can't go buy a brand based on hearing one discontinued model in one room (I'm not saying you have, of course).
I really like the sound of Cliff's system, and to be honest, I was actually surprised to hear he was running Klipsch's. However, I think one of the things that makes Cliff's system sound so awesome are the completely matched mains - something most of us can't do unless we go with an AT screen and false wall - and the effing incredible LFE.
Still, as much as I like the sound of Cliff's system, I still don't like the sound of the Klipsch bookshelf-size speakers. It's a personal taste thing, and everybody's is different.
I will say one thing: Based on seeing/hearing Cliff's setup, and seeing/hearing Art's setup, I'm definitely doing an AT/false wall setup in my next theater. Definitely.
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It's hard for me to get a handle on Klipsch, they are good speakers but a little "hot" for my listening tastes.
BTW what does Art have in his setup???
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kal
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1500- 2k for surround.... What to get? |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | Taking to heart your comment about Paradigm, what is it about that company you do not like? |
It's a matter of taste. I listened to Para's every day for almost a year (i used to sell them) and never liked them. They just sound overly bright and kinda detached... like im listening to speakers... [/quote]
Which Paradigm line? Back in 2006 when I was auctioning speakers I listened to the Paradigm Studio line (the 100's) and I agree: The tweeter was harsh sounding to me. I didn't like it.
The higher end Signature line however was a completely different ball-game. I expected to not hear much of a difference but it was night and day to me. So I bought from the Signature line. 
I know now that the more recent Studio line speakers uses the same tweeter from the Signature line (more or less) so I'd expect them to be less harsh. Haven't heard them myself though.
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ecrabb
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| WanMan wrote: | | Right, and I am sure the processing and amplification were neutral and played no part in the overall evaluation. |
That's a good point, Wan... But, we're both running Integra prepros, and I don't think our two solid state amps would sound so much different - not nearly as different as the speakers and rooms themselves. But, you're also making my point... You can't just listen to one set of speakers in one room and dismiss or decide based on that single experience. So, I'll amend my previous statement to say that I didn't care for those Paradigms in my friend's room using similar processing and amplification. Maybe in my room or another room, it would have been a different story.
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garyfritz
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| ecrabb wrote: | | I will say one thing: Based on seeing/hearing Cliff's setup, and seeing/hearing Art's setup, I'm definitely doing an AT/false wall setup in my next theater. Definitely. |
AT = acoustically transparent?
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ecrabb
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | BTW what does Art have in his setup??? |
They're Mark Seaton's Catalysts... Actually, they're prototypes of the Catalysts, I believe. They're an active/powered design, and don't quote me on this... But, IIRC, they're about $2500 a pop... or $7500 for the mains. They're definitely not in my near future unless I win the lottery... and I'd have to start playing to win. 
They do sound incredible, though... Art's Room is huge and they sound amazing - even at very high SPL. Not strained or harsh at all. They sound as good at 105dB as they do at 1/2 or 1/3 that.
I don't know whose these are, but these are Seaton Sound Catalysts:
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ecrabb
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| garyfritz wrote: | | AT = acoustically transparent? |
Sorry... Affirmative. I love the clean speaker-free look of the stage, and I really love the sound/dialog completely locked to the screen. Sounds incredible even in the back row, too as the sound isn't getting sucked up by furniture and bodies in the front row.
I was always planning to go AT, then I didn't really have the room in this house when it came time to design/build. Next time. That's a reason to move right there, isn't it?
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perisoft
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| ecrabb wrote: | | garyfritz wrote: | | AT = acoustically transparent? |
Sorry... Affirmative. I love the clean speaker-free look of the stage, and I really love the sound/dialog completely locked to the screen. Sounds incredible even in the back row, too as the sound isn't getting sucked up by furniture and bodies in the front row.
I was always planning to go AT, then I didn't really have the room in this house when it came time to design/build. Next time. That's a reason to move right there, isn't it?
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I know this is lunacy, but has anyone experimented with using a non-AT screen, but using EQ on the center to compensate for the attenuation? Presumably a non-AT screen would also diffuse the sound and reflect crap around, but it'd be interesting to see whether it could be made to work reasonably well. Assuming the attenuation wasn't massive, I'm sure you could end up with a flat curve at the listening point... question is what other problems would arise due to the additional power needed to drive the high end and the aforementioned reflection/diffusion... 
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bbfarmht
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I don't plan on buying brand-new out of the box speakers. I like older time tested speakers. Plus I am looking at using an AT screen. I did however pick up an rear-projection screen 4 foot by 9 foot. 
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