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garyfritz
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | | I'm still running my 8 year old Parkland Plastics Screen...Are you familiar with that material?...If so how does it compare to DW would it be a worthwhile upgrade? |
There was a huge screen-testing thread over on the A site a while back with a lot of incredibly useful data. Unfortunately wbassett, the main tester, hosted his results on photobucket and now they're all gone. You might check with wbassett and see if he has data for Parkland.
| dropzone7 wrote: | | That along with the fact that it was such a large and heavy piece of material and never really laid completely flat on my wall. I had secured it to the wall on a wood frame and had lots of support behind it but aside from gluing a piece of rigid material the size of the screen to the back of the DW it was never going to be completely flat. |
FWIW Gary Brown, an occasional poster here, came up with a brilliant solution: he used spray adhesive to glue rigid foamboard to the back of the DW. It weighs almost nothing but it holds the DW perfectly flat.
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dropzone7
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| garyfritz wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | | I'm still running my 8 year old Parkland Plastics Screen...Are you familiar with that material?...If so how does it compare to DW would it be a worthwhile upgrade? |
There was a huge screen-testing thread over on the A site a while back with a lot of incredibly useful data. Unfortunately wbassett, the main tester, hosted his results on photobucket and now they're all gone. You might check with wbassett and see if he has data for Parkland.
| dropzone7 wrote: | | That along with the fact that it was such a large and heavy piece of material and never really laid completely flat on my wall. I had secured it to the wall on a wood frame and had lots of support behind it but aside from gluing a piece of rigid material the size of the screen to the back of the DW it was never going to be completely flat. |
FWIW Gary Brown, an occasional poster here, came up with a brilliant solution: he used spray adhesive to glue rigid foamboard to the back of the DW. It weighs almost nothing but it holds the DW perfectly flat. |
Oddly enough, that sounds much like the material I used to fill in the window opening behind my screen. It was about 1" thick foam with a foil film on one side. Did a great job of blacking out the window area and now the sun doesn't bake the screen wall. Cooled off the room considerably. I can see how that would have made a good backing to the DW material but I guess I was just looking to make a change.
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dturco
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ecrabb
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Location: Utah
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Doh! I wish you would have checked in here before you purchased that material... That's blackout cloth that the seller is selling at about a 100% markup. If you wanted to try a BOC screen, I would have told you to go to SoFro or JoAnn to pick up the same thing for about half the price. Sorry, man!
IIRC, BOC is somewhere between 1.0 and 1.1 gain. My old man uses it with his LCD, and I think it looks pretty nice. Not as much pop as the WilsonArt, but it's better than a wall or whatever. I hate painting, so I'd probably have BOC if I didn't have WilsonArt.
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Nashou66
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Doh! I wish you would have checked in here before you purchased that material... That's blackout cloth that the seller is selling at about a 100% markup. If you wanted to try a BOC screen, I would have told you to go to SoFro or JoAnn to pick up the same thing for about half the price. Sorry, man!
IIRC, BOC is somewhere between 1.0 and 1.1 gain. My old man uses it with his LCD, and I think it looks pretty nice. Not as much pop as the WilsonArt, but it's better than a wall or whatever. I hate painting, so I'd probably have BOC if I didn't have WilsonArt.
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Doh  Oh well I'll just send it back and pay for the return shipping.
I have found another DW distributor in Va. This sucks. I had to go to another state to get this because of the local guy's "I have to make a profit right?" Yes of course you do, but not 200%, and especially not from me. I have found the DW on line for $ 175 shipped from
http://www.youdoitsupply.com/product/D354-60GT in florida.
The local Maryland guy $275.  I pick it up. No shipping chare, no boxing, no handling and its $125 more this way.
The Virginia store, I pick it up $150. And the VA. is closer to me than the Md guy anyway.
P.S. All prices where for the same 5x10 DW 354-60.
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CRT_Ben
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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Location: Northern Virginia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: |
Doh Oh well I'll just send it back and pay for the return shipping.
I have found another DW distributor in Va. This sucks. I had to go to another state to get this because of the local guy's "I have to make a profit right?" Yes of course you do, but not 200%, and espicially not from me. I have found the DW on line for $ 175 shipped from
http://www.youdoitsupply.com/product/D354-60GT in florida.
The local Maryland guy $275. I pick it up. No shipping chare, no boxing, no handling and its $125 more this way.
The Virginia store, I pick it up $150. And the VA. is closer to me than the Md guy anyway.
P.S. All prices where for the same 5x10 DW 354-60. |
What VA store if you don't mind me asking? I might go with DW for my theater.
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| CRT_Ben wrote: | | dturco wrote: |
Doh Oh well I'll just send it back and pay for the return shipping.
I have found another DW distributor in Va. This sucks. I had to go to another state to get this because of the local guy's "I have to make a profit right?" Yes of course you do, but not 200%, and espicially not from me. I have found the DW on line for $ 175 shipped from
http://www.youdoitsupply.com/product/D354-60GT in florida.
The local Maryland guy $275. I pick it up. No shipping chare, no boxing, no handling and its $125 more this way.
The Virginia store, I pick it up $150. And the VA. is closer to me than the Md guy anyway.
P.S. All prices where for the same 5x10 DW 354-60. |
What VA store if you don't mind me asking? I might go with DW for my theater. |
A local Cabinet maker who does not ship anything. I asked them if they shipped because I just knew someone would ask.
First one on this list.
http://www.wilsonartcontract.com/directory/finddist.aspx
This dealer locater works pretty good, you just might have to call a few to get the price you want, like I did.
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CRT_Ben
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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Location: Northern Virginia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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That's fine...I'm in Northern VA... 
That link just takes me to the finder page. You say it's the first one on the list, do you mean:
Peninsula Cabinets
8178 Lankford Hwy
Oak Hall , VA 23416
757-824-5400
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dturco
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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Location: Eastern Shore Maryland
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ecrabb
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Location: Utah
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Have you guys tried calling Lowe's or Home Depot? It'll be a special order, but they should be able to get it, and it should be MUCH cheaper than through a distributor (who usually sells at wholesale to commercial customers, but who is boning you because you're a "walk-in" retail type customer).
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ecrabb
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Crab what is the JoAnn fabric material called? i want to make a small screen for my test projector when i make changes an other Mods. |
The generic term is "drapery lining", and any good fabric store should carry several different brands and sizes. You just have to go in the store and look at the different varieties and find the brightest/whitest. I think you'll be amazed at how cheap it is. Depending on the roll size, you may be able to get enough for a screen for <$20.
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Have you guys tried calling Lowe's or Home Depot? It'll be a special order, but they should be able to get it, and it should be MUCH cheaper than through a distributor (who usually sells at wholesale to commercial customers, but who is boning you because you're a "walk-in" retail type customer).
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Yes, and it was special order, wait 2-3 weeks, and was $265 from Lowes. So I ordered it today 10-09 and will have it tuesday 10-13. It was cheaper, faster, and a small outfit gets my money... Way to go small business guy 
I could have Signed up with Wilsonart to get it at volume discount, but then I would have to promise them a minimum order every year and I already deal with Formica... sooooo, nah. It would be a real hassle for just one piece at whatever the discount would have been, they of course wouldn't tell me because I am not a dealer.
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tri_joel
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Have tried any of the Formica brand whites?
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dturco
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| tri_joel wrote: | | Have tried any of the Formica brand whites? |
No I haven't. I don't like to test stuff in full scale. If I had a piece laying around from a job I would, but I stay away from white counter tops if I can, they look sterile in a home IMO.
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Spanky Ham
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Actually, Reico was supposed to be the cheapest place in the country to get DW. I thought some paid $65 or so for it, but it may have been a different grade.
These prices are where I have to take a deep breath. Some people have been paying upwards of $300-$400 for a complete Wilsonart screen. To me, that is insane. You can get some good screen material for cheaper than that.
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dturco
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | Actually, Reico was supposed to be the cheapest place in the country to get DW. I thought some paid $65 or so for it, but it may have been a different grade.
These prices are where I have to take a deep breath. Some people have been paying upwards of $300-$400 for a complete Wilsonart screen. To me, that is insane. You can get some good screen material for cheaper than that. |
I agree with you Spanky, If I didn't have all of the other material laying around for the frame I'm sure my 58"x104" screen would be very close to $300.
The DW was $150 [actually less, I did get a contractor break] roll of 3" Velvet Gaffers tape $36
Material to build frame, Stuff I had Laying around,
Door jambs with weather stripping for the sides , 36 ft of 1x4's, Piece of old paneling, 20 ft colonial base board, Brick moulding for hanging blocks. Screws, glue, and of course I have the tools so...
Most of the name brands, Da-lite, Draper,etc. were nearly $600 in the size I built so I'll give DW a try. If nothing else I'll have the frame ready for some good material later. The screen size is as big as I can go on my viewing wall without major moving of equipment and running new wires which I ain't gonna do. 
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | These prices are where I have to take a deep breath. Some people have been paying upwards of $300-$400 for a complete Wilsonart screen. To me, that is insane. You can get some good screen material for cheaper than that. |
What good commercial screen are you talking about that's cheaper than $300, Spanky?
The commercial screens are almost all significantly more money, and most of the lower-end Draper and Da-Lite matte screens are closer to 1.1 gain, not the 1.3 that WilsonArt can potentially give you. You have to go to a higher-gain screen like the Video Spectra (1.5 gain), and deal with the smaller viewing cone and hot-spotting, which may or may not be acceptable depending on your room and projector mount.
I'm amazed at the variability of the prices of what seem like commodity materials. Yes, I've heard of people paying $65 for a sheet of DW, but I suspect that was for vertical grade. I paid around $140 or so with tax for my sheet from a wholesale supplier, which I thought was a good deal and seems fairly close to other prices in the $120-150 ballpark I mostly see from people posting about it. Given that, I can't comprehend how Lowe's could possibly be selling a sheet for $265 that everybody else can sell for half that. It makes no sense and I wonder if the pricing was just flat out wrong.
I can't say for sure, but I think when I bought my sheet for $140 or so, I did it knowing it was $20 or so HIGHER than Lowe's because Lowe's had to special order it and the wholesale supplier had it in stock. But, now it's apparently double. WTF?
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dturco
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ronholm
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | Have you guys tried calling Lowe's or Home Depot? It'll be a special order, but they should be able to get it, and it should be MUCH cheaper than through a distributor (who usually sells at wholesale to commercial customers, but who is boning you because you're a "walk-in" retail type customer).
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Yes, and it was special order, wait 2-3 weeks, and was $265 from Lowes. So I ordered it today 10-09 and will have it tuesday 10-13. It was cheaper, faster, and a small outfit gets my money... Way to go small business guy
I could have Signed up with Wilsonart to get it at volume discount, but then I would have to promise them a minimum order every year and I already deal with Formica... sooooo, nah. It would be a real hassle for just one piece at whatever the discount would have been, they of course wouldn't tell me because I am not a dealer.
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I am still using a BO screen because this is what I ran into... My remodeling customers almost always go with some kind of Granite or fake Granite so I very rarely have a need for laminates...
I buy a bunch of stuff from ISC surfaces.. http://www.iscsurfaces.com/ Formerly Case Supply. and on tile materials they give me a pretty decent deal.. But on the laminate my idea of volume and theirs is totally different. This is the company at least around here that supplies much of Home depots tile and laminate material...
I was trying for a while to get them down low enough to where I could make the stuff available at a reasonable price to forum memebers... but it just didn't get that low...
If somebody really can't find the stuff... I could help.. but by the time shipping is figured it ain't that big of a price difference than what others have discovered around here..
Anybody know where Wilson Art makes this pariticular laminate???
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