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Barco 808: R7621055 board (port 3)

 
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Corleone88



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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Barco 808: R7621055 board (port 3)

Hi,

I am changing caps on this board and some of them (10microF) do not seem to have polarity: C3,C4, C13, C14 and C23 for example. The picture on the board representing the caps does not look as usual (+ polarity is not shown). Am I wrong?
As I am using only port 3, I am looking for the list of caps used for the RGB signal through the R767481 board (switcher). Does anybody have a picture of the design for this switcher board or (better) the list of the caps that I need to change?
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Ile



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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:03 am    Post subject:

Port3 coupling caps (C3, C4, C13, C14, 23 and C24) are originally non-polar caps.

I wanted to use "normal" oscons instead in my 801s, polarities can be seen here.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/17322

Switcher board coupling caps C200, C300 and C400.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/17321

There is also 6 coupling caps in driver board.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/17320

Best would be use plastic caps, but those big cost pretty much. You can save if you add just small plastic caps (0.1-0.47 uF) in parallel with each coupling cap in back of the board. In theory those should work better in high freq, that trick is used in s-series switcher board.
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Corleone88



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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:51 pm    Post subject:

Thanks very much Ile. I also have C53, C54, C43 and C44 to change with no polarity. Do you have them as well (even you didn't seem to have changed these caps)? You didn't seem to have replace all the caps (I noticed the radial blue caps). Any particular reason?
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Corleone88



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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject:

Well I answer the question myself : these caps don't change the RGB signal quality Wink.
Meanwhile, I noticed a change in the colors of the picture. I had my system calibrated before I changed the caps (RGB amps, RGB second board and SP) and now it seems that I have to do it again. For example, the faces look redish.
Is it normal?
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Ile



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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject:

Chancing caps shouldn't chance grayscale that much, but some chances can happen to high hour boards.

You probably installed rgb amps other way around, those have some variation in gain and cut-off levels.
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Corleone88



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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject:

That's right, I didn't check the order for RGB amps.
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Corleone88



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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:56 am    Post subject:

Where are the values of the gain and cut-off stored? In the RGB amps?
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Ile



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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject:

Corleone88 wrote:
Where are the values of the gain and cut-off stored? In the RGB amps?
Amps have manual pots for factory calibration with test picture and scope. No need for this adjustment.

Use custom black and white adjustment from menu to compensate. These affect signal in driver board.
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Corleone88



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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject:

Quote:
There is also 6 coupling caps in driver board.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/17320


Ile,

After changing the 6 caps on the driver board, I have an issue: my red tube lights up for a few seconds after starting my pj, and then shuts down. I checked what I have done, but I didn't see any soldering problem. Any idea about what can be wrong?
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Ile



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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject:

Corleone88 wrote:
Quote:
There is also 6 coupling caps in driver board.
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/17320


Ile,

After changing the 6 caps on the driver board, I have an issue: my red tube lights up for a few seconds after starting my pj, and then shuts down. I checked what I have done, but I didn't see any soldering problem. Any idea about what can be wrong?


Check again caps polarities from my picture. Maybe one cap is installed wrong way and that cause problem.
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Corleone88



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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject:

I checked and that seems ok. I was wondering more of a problem with the caps values, could please you check if these values are correct :
C36 = 10mF 50V
C22 = 2.2mF 100V
C33 =10mF 25V
C459 = 10mF 50V
C23 = 2.2mF 100V
C24 = 2.2mF 100V

Strange to have the red tube lighting up for 2 seconds only...
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Ile



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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject:

Corleone88 wrote:
I checked and that seems ok. I was wondering more of a problem with the caps values, could please you check if these values are correct :
C36 = 10mF 50V
C22 = 2.2mF 100V
C33 =10mF 25V
C459 = 10mF 50V
C23 = 2.2mF 100V
C24 = 2.2mF 100V

Strange to have the red tube lighting up for 2 seconds only...
Values are ok.

Maybe either one of those new caps in red line was defective (C22 or C36).

Can you test with other driver board?
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Corleone88



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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject:

I put back the old caps for C22 and C36 and I have tstill the same problem.
I bought a BD801s recently for spare parts. I will have it on Wednesday. I will try with the spare driver board.
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