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mikeryan
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Location: Surrey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: Projector is mounted and now where do I start???? |
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So I finally mounted my NEC 6 PG + ( GE Imager 601 ) in tha garage. It only took the purchase of a house and the willingness of my wife to allow the man room to go from a dream to reality! oh and a 1 year looking a projector on my floor in the old appartment.
So here is my dilemma, this is my first PJ and my first setup. I have looked over the CRT Primer and have a pretty good idea of what has to happen, I just need to know where to start
So without a manual the remote isn't too hard to figure out but one thing that is killing me is how to flip the image??? the PJ is ceiling mounted and up side down. Also I seem to have a wider bottom screen ( Keysone ); wider on the bottom than the top . Does the PJ need to absolutely level on all sides/ corners??
Wish me luck this is the hard part. the good news is that the cross hairs arn't too far out and the focus looks good so far. I hope I can get this running in 2 weeks.
I have a HD Fury and am hoping to get a PS3 sooner than later.
Help if you can, your advice is always greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Mike
Look forward to getting hooked on CRT's 
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Curt Palme
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1) Make damn sure your source NEVER goes to 1080p. If so, you'll be calling me with a blown deflection board.
2) Follow the 'definitive setup guide' on the main site along with the manual. The guide is written for an XG, but is very similar to that of the PG+.
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mikeryan
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Location: Surrey
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So do you think 1080i or 720P is better?
Mostly movies and PS3 however I would like to use shaw HD box which I heard is only a 720P output.
Correct me if Im wrong.
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Nashou66
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ecrabb
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TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| mikeryan wrote: | So do you think 1080i or 720P is better?
Mostly movies and PS3 however I would like to use shaw HD box which I heard is only a 720P output. |
I MUCH preferred 1080i from HD sources on my 1271. I think your 6PG+ is as good, if not better than my old 1271, and I much preferred the spatial resolution 1080i provided. I think it was a nice match, actually. Where 1080i scan lines might have driven a guy crazy with a sharper projector, the lenses on the 1271 weren't sharp enough to resolve the scan lines, and even masked some of the warts in a compressed source. Interestingly, the lenses were sharp enough to show a noticeable difference between 720p and 1080i - and I liked 1080i a lot better. Gave me a nice, smooth, artifact-free, film-like image.
Some people like 720p, though so just try both. Watch some program material from Blu-ray at 720p, pay attention to certain detailed aspects of the picture, then switch to 1080i and compare.
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mikeryan
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OK so now I need to make a screen anyone know where to buy black out cloth in the lower mainland area( Surrey ) or go with wilson Art?
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ecrabb
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If you can spend a few more bucks, Wilsonart is quite a bit brighter. I think blackout cloth is close to 1.0 gain, while Wilsonart is >1.3.
Blackout cloth has its advantages, though. Cheap, light frame, easy to make. Wilsonart is none of those.
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AnalogRocks
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I compared Wilsonart to blackout cloth and ordinary white paper. Go for the Wilsonart. When you tilt it to reflect the light back to your seats it gets even brighter. BOC and plain paper didn't have the 'POP' of Wilsonart.
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jkruger
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How does the Parkland Plastics stuff compare to the blackout cloth? When I held a piece of blackout up in front of my PP screen I could not see much difference.
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Mr. Green
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Location: Calgary
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| mikeryan wrote: | So do you think 1080i or 720P is better?
Mostly movies and PS3 however I would like to use shaw HD box which I heard is only a 720P output.
Correct me if Im wrong. |
Great little projector. I stared at mine too for a long time before I started tinkering. I used my ps3 and shaw HD pvr with my 9 PG+ and I preferred 1080i. You will see the scanlines, but not really from a proper seating distance. Try both. Some do prefer 720p.
Use the setup manual http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTSetupGuide.shtm it will get you really close. There are some steps where there is some intuition/ experience would help because once you've set it up a few times it's second nature. Doing it the first few times required some frantic posts because there is a logic step not explained and you might get stuck.
I printed it out and made notes as I went. It made it easier. Also, as they say, set it up 3 times. I'm sure like most you'll tweak and tweak things to get it close, but if you actually start from scratch each time you'll get better results. It gets faster each time too. I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing all 3 times in one weekend though.
I don't remember if flipping the image is in there or not, but I remember it being easy to change. You'll want to do that first.
Good luck and post photo's. 
Chris
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stefuel
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This is one of the projectors that I've been preaching reading the manual first before hanging it. You have selected just about the worst projector for a beginner to start with. There is very little wiggle room with that projector and hope for a respectable image when you're done. If you hung that projector without the use of a manual, I'd bet the farm it's in the wrong place. The only saving grace it you are planning on a home built screen. You'll have to build a screen to suit the location of the projector. Welcome to the forum and good luck with your new projector.
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lostmandan
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Hi Mike,
I'm not sure if you found your answer to flipping from floor to ceiling, but the following page should help you out a bit:
http://www.curtpalme.com/NECPG_Layout5.shtm
| Quote: | | Not shown in the above image are the red/blue and brown/yellow yoke wires. The yellow/brown wires are the vertical deflection leads, the red/blue are the H deflection wires. If you’re changing from floor to ceiling mount or vice versa, pull out each of these pairs of wires and rotate them 180 degrees. Don’t forget to also swap over the 6 sets of wires on the convergence board. |
Make sure the unit is turned off (and even unplugged) before making these changes. Simply pull the plug, rotate 180 degrees, and plug it back in firmly. The plugs on the convergence board (located underneath the deflection board) are changed the same way. The series of NEC PG Layout pages on this site are an excellent resource.
The Keystone setting is most likely set to some value and causing the difference in width. I believe that the documentation that you are looking at will outline centering all of the geometry control settings for each colour.
Also, the best practice is to make sure the projector is as level as possible and square with the screen. Getting this right will make it easier to adjust and allow you to use less of the electronic controls to compensate. This in turn keeps the electronics from working so hard and allows it to run cooler (a good thing!)
Have fun and good luck!
Cheers,
Dan
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Mark_A_W
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There's a sticker on the inside of the big hood - tells you how to swap ceiling/floor.
If you have funky geometry issues after the swap, then you got it wrong on the C drive.
If you roll Artist's Gesso on a blockout cloth screen it will up the gain. That's what I have and I have seen numerous commercial screens and never found mine lacking in comparison.
(And Steve, a PG+ is much closer to a G70 in performance than a 1271.)
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mikeryan
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Thanks Everyone I will let you know when I get stuck ! and post pics as it comes along
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mikeryan
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Ok So I have been tinkering around with the alignment of the tubes last night using the cross hair to line up in the center. So far I figured out some of the adjusments and used the toe in method to get the horizontal lines to match up. However it seems the blue is out of whack when it comes to the vertical I can't seem to get enough adjustment out of the machine to get it to match up. Is there a physical method to adjust this like the toe in but for vertical?? Also I haven't flipped the board yet to change the image from floor mount to ceiling mount. A little nervous about that!
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Mr. Green
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: Calgary
TV/Projector: Marquee 9501LC / NEC 9PG+
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| mikeryan wrote: | | Ok So I have been tinkering around with the alignment of the tubes last night using the cross hair to line up in the center. So far I figured out some of the adjusments and used the toe in method to get the horizontal lines to match up. However it seems the blue is out of whack when it comes to the vertical I can't seem to get enough adjustment out of the machine to get it to match up. Is there a physical method to adjust this like the toe in but for vertical?? Also I haven't flipped the board yet to change the image from floor mount to ceiling mount. A little nervous about that! |
If you are talking about what I thing you are, the blue will knock out a bit every time you close the lid, the metal in it messes with the magnetics. It happened on my blue as well. I'd under-adjust it so when the lid closed it lined up nicely. Takes a few tries.
Don't worry about flipping the image. Shut it off, unplug for an hour, switch them and you're ready to go again. That's an easy tweak. If you ever play with the centering or astig magnets be VERY careful and only ever have one hand in there at a time. Hold a beer or something in the other so there's no chance you'll have your other hand near it. I've been shocked by my PG+ and it is not pleasant. I would not want that shock travelling through my heart. Also, do NOT spill the beer in there! 
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