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Hushbox Version 1 - A little rushed
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: Hushbox Version 1 - A little rushed

I had some free time last week but not enough. I had some spare wood and a sheet of hardboard I purchased over a year ago for this purpose that needed to be cleared from the garage.

Basic frame out of 2x2's (all warped wicked)

Covered the frame with hardboard (1/8")

Hinged front and back.

Covered entire thing with Dazian Expo cloth (3M glued it directly to hardboard)

Placed spare Linacoustic duct liner inside cavity created by 2x2 depth and hardboard all around sides and bottom.

Added a 500 CFM inline duct fan for exhaust (well bought it, haven't added it yet)

Will place exhaust fan in next room with 6" flex duct inside joist cavity to top of projector hushbox and out to the storage room.

Enjoy...

















Price was about $40 but I dont remember how much the wood was. Most was scrap including the fabric and most of the wood.

Knocked the sound floor down an incredible amount. I have watched one movie and the heat doesnt seem to be an issue but I want the fan just in case.
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:54 pm    Post subject:

Flex duct adds a lot of turbulence noise, but with a 6" you may be OK.

500cfm is WAY more than you need -- 500cfm would totally exchange all the air in the hushbox every 4 seconds or so -- but I suspect it will pull a lot less than 500cfm in that application. See if you hear a roaring wind when you fire it up -- if so, you may want to find a smaller fan.

Hm. The specs say 500cfm "Max boost" (WTF is that??) and 200cfm "free air." By the time you run it through a 6" flex duct and suck air through the hbox, it will probably reduce it down to 100cfm or less. Which is right about where you want it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:24 am    Post subject:

I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink


Chip...you must not have ever heard an XG then....Great projectors but loud as hell.

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greg_mitch



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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject:

Yeah...no fan curves on the box or in the manual so I figure I will take what I get.

THe hushbox isnt for looks...hence the name.

The look spart is just to pretend to pretty up the large box on your ceiling.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject:

Looks pretty good to me. Nice job.

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ecrabb
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink

No need at all for hush box... If you don't give a sh*t about decent audio. The noise floor with an XG or G70 hanging right behind your head SUCKS. It totally ruins the quiet parts of the movie. You end up either jacking with the volume to boost the quiet parts or you leave it up and get blow away by the loud parts. Unless you happen to own a REALLY quiet CRT projector, I think a hush box is absolutely mandatory equipment. Unless you're almost deaf. Then it doesn't matter.

garyfritz wrote:
Hm. The specs say 500cfm "Max boost" (WTF is that??) and 200cfm "free air." By the time you run it through a 6" flex duct and suck air through the hbox, it will probably reduce it down to 100cfm or less. Which is right about where you want it.

Be careful, Greg... I think it was Kal, but somebody has tried the booster fans and said they suck... They can't handle ANY static pressure at all. They're designed to move already-moving air a little faster - boost it. Against my better judgement, I bought one to try... It's the identical brand fan, but the 6" version. When I tested it at my meet, I'm pretty sure it was vastly inadequate. I didn't take temp readings, but the hush box felt pretty hot to me. In fact, it was warm enough that the adhesive on the Velcro that was holding up the box failed within 20 minutes even though it had been up all night intact (it was just a temp/test design made from foam core).

The booster fan is pretty noisy to boot; it has a nasty "ringing" resonance to it. Must be a multiple of 60hz... Maybe 360hz or 480 hz... Maybe it's the number of blades. It's almost ice-pick in your ears obnoxious depending on which way the fan is oriented and where you're standing. I can hear the damn thing upstairs in my house.

I REALLY don't want to spend $140 on a frickin' fan, but I think it's the right thing to do:
http://www.amazon.com/Fantech-FR150-Inline-Centrifugal-Fan/dp/B000GXCPV8/curtpalmecrtp-20

They're quiet, reliable, and they're designed to handle static pressure. Hush box and real inline duct fan - it's on my to-do list.

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greg_mitch



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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject:

Yeah but for $30 doesnt everyone have to learn for themselves.

I am thinking mine will be pretty far away but I wont know until I wire it up and flip the switch.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:58 am    Post subject:

greg_mitch wrote:
Yeah but for $30 doesnt everyone have to learn for themselves.

Yeah, definitely... That's why I bought the sh*tty fan, too. I'm just sayin'... Be careful about the temps the projector is seeing so you don't cook something. Sending a board to Curt to replace fried STK's will end up costing you more than buying the Fantech fan and you'll be without your HT for a couple of weeks to boot.

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greg_mitch



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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:04 am    Post subject:

I thought about getting a remote temperature gauge...they have the ducstat for another $15 but I figured if it isn't too loud (read: quieter than an un-hushboxed XG) I will just let it run whenever the projector runs. Get the cheapest x10 switch to put it on and set up the remote to turn the fan on and off with the projector.

Yes I realize a timed off to let stuff cool down would be best, but I am going to experiment.

The projector spends less than 3 hours on a week at this point.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:10 am    Post subject:

In this particular installation, it looks from the pictures that you have access to the rough framing above the projector. Do you have central A/C or forced warm air heat? If so and you have access to the supply and return trunk lines you could run those to the hush box and use the screen trigger to actvate a relay that closes the same connection from the thermostat that calls the circulation fan on manual. It would be quiet. It would share the heat with the rest of the house. The re-circulated air would be filtered.
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greg_mitch



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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject:

That would be an option...albeit more expensive and slightly more complicated option.

It would be lots quieter but in the summer it would be pumping my cold basement air upstairs and dropping some heat in there to boot.

Let me try the $30 solution and I will be back in a few weeks with some more questions. Laughing
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Ile



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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink


Barcos would look better with hushbox. Wink

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/dscn2133_124.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/husboxandrear_speakers_178.jpg

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=985&d=1053515822
http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1527&d=1067243517

I have to agree about breast though.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject:

Ile wrote:
stefuel wrote:
I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink


Barcos would look better with hushbox. Wink

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/dscn2133_124.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/husboxandrear_speakers_178.jpg

http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=985&d=1053515822
http://www.dvdplaza.fi/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1527&d=1067243517

I have to agree about breast though.


In your case I will have to agree as there isn't a factory cover that fits your labor of love. On the third and forth pictures, I'd ditch that big black pimple for factory in a heartbeat.

So at least we agree on two out of three Wink

BTW, I don't think your's qualifies as a "hush box". It's more like recessed lighting Thumbs Up

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject:

"Unless you happen to own a REALLY quiet CRT projector, I think a hush box is absolutely mandatory equipment. Unless you're almost deaf. Then it doesn't matter."

Oooops, the cat's outta-da-bag now. That's one of the other bennies of owning a AmPro. They are quiet and they can be made quieter. Mine has about 25,000 hours on it now and the factory fans are starting to get louder. Soon I will be on a quest for the perfect replacement fans for it.

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
Be careful, Greg... I think it was Kal, but somebody has tried the booster fans and said they suck... They can't handle ANY static pressure at all.

Yup. That type of fan is really not intended for an installation with any static pressure. I looked for some specs with a static pressure vs. CFM chart but couldn't find one, but I'll bet it drops like a stone. My 100CFM estimate is probably generous. Greg, you can get a thermometer with a remote sensor for $15 or so. DEFINITELY get one. Put the sensor inside the pj, near the boards you don't want to fry, and see what the temps are without the hushbox. Then put the hbox back up, with the fan, and see if the fan pulls the hot air out fast enough. With a good hbox and adequate fan, the pj should actually run COOLER than without an hbox. But if the fan isn't up to snuff, you could end up cooking your projector, and that would be a very expensive and painful mistake.
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
I don't get the whole "hush box " thing. They're big, clunky and ugly. I haven't seen one that makes a decent installation look better. I say projectors, like breasts are best left out in the open. Wink



Yeah, those damn ugly hushboxes (paint marks aren't visible in to the eye).



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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject:

No fair, Mark. You should also include butt-ugly hushboxes like mine if you want an honest comparison. Laughing

(And trust me it looked worse in person than in this picture!)

FWIW that hbox was on my XG. I haven't needed it since going to the 8500 and I just tore it apart to recycle parts last week.



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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
I think it was Kal, but somebody has tried the booster fans and said they suck...


Wouldn't the problem be that they don't suck?




...but seriously, folks... So, XGs I knew were loud, G70s I didn't think so... where does the 808 come in? I've only heard a Barco Vision 600 (silent), a 1271 (quiet), and a BG808s (reasonably quiet). But no other 8"/9" PJs... so I'm curious. What are we talking for a G70? Hair dryer? Dust buster? Shop vac? Rolls Royce jet engine? My Sager gaming laptop? Shocked

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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject:

When I started using my 6pgxtra I was amazed at how loud it sounded compared to my 808s. To describe the difference I would say it is like a diesel engine compared to a gas engine.
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