| Which Marquee tweak /mod to do first |
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15% |
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| New version Moome 1.3 |
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| Eye one Calman device |
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10% |
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| Red C-Element with new Bellows |
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42% |
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AnalogRocks
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You need a BBQ and a case of suds, then invite one of the local guys over to help you.
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stefuel
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Optimizing the magnetics is the key to quality high resolution video. All the mods are useless if the projector is not set up correctly. In a past thread you said "you were cheap and did not want to spend any unnessesary money" Yet in this thread you seem willing to spend money on things that will gain you little without the projector being correctly calibrated.
If you are unwilling to pay someone to do it and you are unwilling to do it your self then save your money on the mods as they won't be worth spit in a projector that isn't set up correctly. You need to get your prorities straight and in some order.
If I were you I'd start from scratch and...
1. Install the red c-element.
2. Check the bellows and coolant in the other two tubes.
3. Re-seat all the problematic IC's.
4. Align the magnetics
5. Fine tune the optical focus.
6. Run it for a few weeks to make sure it's stable, tweaking it here and there while you learn it.
7. When you are satisfied that it's working perfectly, consider one mod at a time.
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Mr. Green
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | It's a waste of time to consider the grayscale equipment before you get the projector tight. All the magnetics have to be done prior to even considering spending the time to grayscale with test equipment. Slight adjustments to the magnetics will alter it's output, espcially blue |
O.K. The Magnetics require me to remove the shield over top of each tube and twist the coils surrounding the tube near the back end of tube? I am hesitant to do this not because of hurting something but the picture was really really good except for being slightly darker than i'd like but I do it if that is what needs to be done.
At great risk to myself here, are there any pictures of this being done? |
Since the magnets have to be done by hand, there isn't anything blatantly dangerous in your way. Having said that, be F**king careful! I got zapped more than once by my PG+ and it's not something you need to experience. Biggest rule - only ONE hand on the projector at any time when fiddling around in there. If you get zapped you don't want the shock going through your heart. Anyways, it's really easy... 
No, it's fine... if you are smart/ careful about it. It was cool watching Curt do it. He just stuffed his hand in there without looking too hard and fiddled around. I really enjoyed watching a master at work. Talk about 2nd nature. 
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schmoe
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | hey for a newby your pretty Savvy. IT's interesting you came to that conclusion and it's a dam good point. There is a direct correlation between people who can't keep their hands out of their machines and people who eventually give up claiming "too much hassle and reliability problems". IMO, Out of every 10 people who start taking their machines apart at least 5 had no business being in there but hey it's a free country right. |
I had some fairly frustrating moments during my setup where I felt the urge to give up. Nothing big really, but it can be challenging when you're doing something completely new and your only direction is some document some guy typed up years ago.  For me, in particular, it was messing with the focus coils. I just couldn't get them to move how I wanted, and I had no idea how much force or pressure I am allowed to exert on the damn thing. So here I am, making it move in this arc pattern, and it'd get awful close to where I needed it to be, but not close enough. And I couldn't nudge it left/right/up/down. Nope, it was either one way along the arc or the other way. Honestly I don't know how I ended up getting it. But as soon as I was there I stopped tweaking it immediately. Afterwards I realized I had better take it slow or I was going to start hating this new hobby.
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schmoe
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| dturco wrote: | | O.K. The Magnetics require me to remove the shield over top of each tube and twist the coils surrounding the tube near the back end of tube? I am hesitant to do this not because of hurting something but the picture was really really good except for being slightly darker than i'd like but I do it if that is what needs to be done. |
FWIW, I thought the pic on my 9500 was pretty damn good before I did magnetics. Afterwards the clarity and sharpness were considerably improved, and I'm pretty sure I only did an OK job, not a great one, since it was my first time. Now I sit in awe during certain 1080p scenes where there's lot of detail to observe. I don't quite see scanlines at 1080p (definitely do at 720) but it's still an noticeable improvement.
Btw, not sure where you got your PJ from, but just moving the PJ to a different geographic location is enough to disturb the magnetics, so I've heard, due to the earth's magnetism, necessitating that they be reset.
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dturco
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| Bruce 09 wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm starting to feel like I'm the village idiot. Make no mistake it is not even close to reality. My poor typing skills don't allow me to be eloquent in cyberspace. |
That is funny pretty. I know exactly what you are saying. I think Modding and tweaking is half the hobby so go for it. I was trying to emphasis that you need a good baseline to start if you really want to see how effective a mod is .
A good calibration should be on the list before mods, Buy your own equipment and learn how to use it, it's not that hard!! ( that is if you are not the village idiot )
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How do you bring through a partial quote like this?
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | I'm the village idiot. Make no mistake . My poor typing skills don't allow me to be eloquent in cyberspace
That is funny pretty. I know exactly what you are saying. I think tweaking is good it's not that hard!! ( you are the village idiot )
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hit quote and highlight and delete the parts you don't want. Just remember if you go too far you'll end up missquoting somebody.
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dturco
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | I'm the village idiot. Make no mistake . My poor typing skills don't allow me to be eloquent in cyberspace
That is funny pretty. I know exactly what you are saying. I think tweaking is good it's not that hard!! ( you are the village idiot )
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hit quote and highlight and delete the parts you don't want. Just remember if you go too far you'll end up missquoting somebody. |
Bastage your'e about as sharp as a bowling ball
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AnalogRocks
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| dturco wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | I'm the village idiot. Make no mistake . My poor typing skills don't allow me to be eloquent in cyberspace
That is funny pretty. I know exactly what you are saying. I think tweaking is good it's not that hard!! ( you are the village idiot )
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hit quote and highlight and delete the parts you don't want. Just remember if you go too far you'll end up missquoting somebody. |
Bastage your'e about as sharp as a bowling ball |
And hung like a hampste...rino
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dturco
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | dturco wrote: | I'm the village idiot. Make no mistake . My poor typing skills don't allow me to be eloquent in cyberspace
That is funny pretty. I know exactly what you are saying. I think tweaking is good it's not that hard!! ( you are the village idiot )
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hit quote and highlight and delete the parts you don't want. Just remember if you go too far you'll end up missquoting somebody. |
Bastage your'e about as sharp as a bowling ball |
And hung like a hampster.... |
Why I'm sorry to here of your affliction
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phishin_ca
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I glanced over the astigmatism while I was there, as I am no expert. While adjusting focus there was no noticable shift in dots. I figured close is close, and I could do no better. I am definitely glad to see you hanging in there Dave, I figured you were going to pitch the thing before I walked in. Woohoo! Another convert! Seriously though, my last electrohome was an ECP, and I am onto the Barco kick now. We just need to get Nashou down for the weekend to share some knowledge. My seating arives on the 6th of June!
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dturco
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| phishin_ca wrote: | | I glanced over the astigmatism while I was there, as I am no expert. While adjusting focus there was no noticable shift in dots. I figured close is close, and I could do no better. I am definitely glad to see you hanging in there Dave, I figured you were going to pitch the thing before I walked in. Woohoo! Another convert! Seriously though, my last electrohome was an ECP, and I am onto the Barco kick now. We just need to get Nashou down for the weekend to share some knowledge. My seating arives on the 6th of June! |
Phishin -ca I think I forgot to mention in this thread how much you helped me. I really do appreciate what you did. You should see the picture now it is so much brighter and whiter, but It's not where I know it can be. I do recall and did not mention here you looked at the magnetics that every one is going on about. I personally do not think it's as big a deal for this set up as every one is making it out to be. I am willing to try it, once I feel safe and comfortable with doing so. It is my opinion that I have a mechanical problem.
Thank you again.
I am going to most likely send the boards to Draganm. If that solves the problem then great, if not it sure won't hurt anything.
I do not think of this as a mod anyway. I think of it as a refurbishment of 12 year old parts. Which can't be a bad thing either.
And your right I was really close to chucking it onto AVS. 
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phishin_ca
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I can tell you that the machine is tight, caps are not going to do anything for you. The C-element, and gamma boost would be the first things on my list. I would get some spare boards through ebay, etc. and send those off for the draganm mods. Even poorly calibrated, the image is to die for. You want to come see a lowly 8" AC?
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phishin_ca
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Did I miss the post on the mechanical problem?
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dturco
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| phishin_ca wrote: | | Did I miss the post on the mechanical problem? |
I'm not sure where I posted that but the blue and red keep drifting after convergence. Every time I turn it on the blue and red have drifted. I am waiting 30 minutes for warm up and the convergence still is off every time. It's damn annoying.
EDIT :Posted 1 page back in this thread.
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phishin_ca
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Off by one or two clicks or "WAY OFF"?
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dturco
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| phishin_ca wrote: | | Off by one or two clicks or "WAY OFF"? |
Not way off 1or 2 button pushes, but the red is now also blooming on the edges of the grids kinda fuzzy too.The blue is just 1 or 2 cliks off all over, every time. All of the lenses are fully tigheted down in postion.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| dturco wrote: | | I'm not sure where I posted that but the blue and red keep drifting after convergence. Every time I turn it on the blue and red have drifted. I am waiting 30 minutes for warm up and the convergence still is off every time. It's damn annoying. |
yup, that's why I do my thang
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dturco
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Update New bellow ordered from Nashou. Red C-Element will be installed once it arrives. Also have the EyeOne to calibrate the 9500 once the C-Element is installed.
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schmoe
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Brave! I have a c-element too but I'm too chicken right now to try replacing the bellows. I was thinking of waiting for a good excuse, like needing to change the glycol. Maybe after I enjoy the pj for a little longer. Let me know how it goes.
I just finished my first grayscale calibration last night using EyeOne Display2 and CalMan. Went pretty well I think. I did this once before on an RPTV so I'm pretty familiar with the process. Though this time I could control gamma via the Moome card. One thing that made life super easy was I hooked up my laptop to my DVDO VP50Pro via serial cable so CalMan could automate taking a complete set of readings. What a huge help - if you have the means to do this I highly recommend it. I had a "stroke of genius" too - I was worried that the brightness from my laptop screen would interfere with the readings of the EyeOne, so I closed the lid and covered the laptop with a blanket (to hide its many exterior lights) and connected to it with another laptop via Windows Remote Desktop. This allowed me to sit in the back of the room and drive everything from a safe distance. It worked great! Got some fairly decent results for my first go. All my dE's except for 100 are less than 3; 100 is less than 5.
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