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draganm
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Colorado
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| RaWsHaRk wrote: | | You didnt read well; they paid the guy 10 000 for it, and he was ready to buy it now back for 800.probably just to cover his previous dishonesty.. |
Wow, I was sure I read that wrong but I guess it was right the first time, $10K for a Marquee 8110.  I think this might in fact be the biggest scam ever in a local transaction where a PJ was actually delivered and installed (not including some sucker sending Western Union to Nigeria).
I just don't understand how someone could do this? I mean even if you charged $5K for an installed 8110 5 years ago it still would have been a very heavy mark-up. To outright defraud the guy and double your already fat profit is just mind-boggling.
Spanky just send the original buyer here,let him do justice upon the evil doer with public shame and warning to others.
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jkruger
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Carlsbad, CA
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GET A ROPE! 
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Mr. Green
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Posts: 1394
Location: Calgary
TV/Projector: Marquee 9501LC / NEC 9PG+
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| draganm wrote: | | It's like that Gary guy who sold Curt the 9500LC, he couldn't even keep his own lies straight in the same thread. |
Curt ended up doing ok on that one... It's now hanging in my living room.  Beautiful machine too. 
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: Comedy Central
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Spill it. We wanna know, and yes, no one else should be victim of a scammer. If a seller doesn't know what they have, then they should either do the research, or simply post that they don't know much about the unit. |
No, I thought there might be a slim chance the seller didn't see the pj and was just a middle man. He knew exactly what he had when he sold it to the owner. If you are talking about the owner, then he was just trying to get unload it. They thought they were sold a 9501 and had no reason to believe that they didn't receive one.
As for outing him, the owner pleaded with me not to out him. He seemed genuinely concerned about hurting this guys livelihood.
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Spanky Ham
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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Location: Comedy Central
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| draganm wrote: | | RaWsHaRk wrote: | | You didnt read well; they paid the guy 10 000 for it, and he was ready to buy it now back for 800.probably just to cover his previous dishonesty.. |
Wow, I was sure I read that wrong but I guess it was right the first time, $10K for a Marquee 8110. I think this might in fact be the biggest scam ever in a local transaction where a PJ was actually delivered and installed (not including some sucker sending Western Union to Nigeria).
I just don't understand how someone could do this? I mean even if you charged $5K for an installed 8110 5 years ago it still would have been a very heavy mark-up. To outright defraud the guy and double your already fat profit is just mind-boggling.
Spanky just send the original buyer here,let him do justice upon the evil doer with public shame and warning to others. |
Yeah, I have never heard about anything this big before. I am sure it may have happened in the past or at least been tried.
As for the owner, I think they are pretty much done with the situation. It has been a couple of weeks and I haven't heard from him since.
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bbfarmht
Joined: 27 May 2006
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Location: Where the Mississippi runs east to west!!
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | As for outing him, the owner pleaded with me not to out him. He seemed genuinely concerned about hurting this guys livelihood. |
That's like the person who won't give up her boyfriend because she loves him. Then when hes beating up some other woman she still won't come forward because "he didn't mean to do it".
How will you feel when the guy scams someone else.
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Elaine Benes
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Who's to say this guy hasn't been DOING this all along ?
Protect the identity of a thief so he can keep thieving and not disrupt his "livelihood", what a novel idea...
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ecrabb
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Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Posts: 15909
Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | As for outing him, the owner pleaded with me not to out him. He seemed genuinely concerned about hurting this guys livelihood. |
Two words came to mind when I read that:
fraud (frôd)
n. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
ac·com·plice (ə-kŏm'plĭs)
n. An associate in wrongdoing, especially one who aids or abets another in a criminal act, either as a principal or an accessory.
Apparently, the seller's livelihood is fraud... That owner should be ASHAMED of himself for trying to protect the identity of somebody misrepresenting merchandise... a clear act of fraud. Somebody is full of sh*t, here... If it isn't the owner, then it's the seller... If the owner won't reveal the seller's identity, then maybe it's both.
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jask
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: kamloops BC
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The seller is worried about protecting the reputation of a vendor that padded his bill by 5000$????
I don't know anyone that rich and stupid. Even if the installer was a blood relative- nobody walks away from that kind of money, forgives the guy, and then protects him so that he can stay in business. I don't buy it, these guys are running a scam.
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AnalogRocks
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Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
TV/Projector: Sony 1252Q, AMPRO 4000G
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Someone's had the fishing pole at the phishing hole on this one.
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Curt Palme
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Just playing devil's advocate here for a sec. Was it $10K for the projector... or $10K for the projector, scaler, screen, installation and calibration? If all of the above, then maybe, just maybe it could have hit $10K.
If however, the set was sold as a 9501LC for $10K, well, then the seller should be outed.
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Elaine Benes
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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If however, the set was sold as a 9501LC for $10K, well, then the seller should be outed. |
The original seller claimed this was a 9501LC and sold it to the present owners for $10,000.
The OP went to look at this projector, KNEW it wasn't a 9501LC and told the present owners that.
The original seller apparently had offered the present owners $800. to buy the projector back from them when they purchased yet ANOTHER projector from him...
The original seller committed fraud against the present owners, no matter WHAT was included in the original sale.
When you claim something you sell is one thing, and its really another, that is , pretty much the exact definition of fraud.
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ecrabb
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Location: Utah
TV/Projector: JVC RS40, Epson 5010
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | | When you claim something you sell is one thing, and its really another, that is , pretty much the exact definition of fraud. |
Exactly.
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ralpharch
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You all seem to accept the original buyer's story without a questioning attitude.
To me - reading above, I sense his portrayal of the situation was possibly not all accurate. Therefore, the buyer wanted to avoid exposing the particulars, which could challenge some of his story (perhaps as opposed to worries about demeaning the seller's actions)
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huggy
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Location: Melbourne,Australia
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| ralpharch wrote: | You all seem to accept the original buyer's story without a questioning attitude.
To me - reading above, I sense his portrayal of the situation was possibly not all accurate. Therefore, the buyer wanted to avoid exposing the particulars, which could challenge some of his story (perhaps as opposed to worries about demeaning the seller's actions) |
Agreed! and to quote the greek philosopher ' Transformius' in this instance there certainly is "MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE" 
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Elaine Benes
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I actually gave the seller the benefit of the doubt and figured he may not have known it wasn't a 9501. He then said that the pj had some problems, so he converted it. |
This line from the OP's original post exposing this fraud seems to me to indicate that he spoke directly with the original seller, which means to me, the original owners story is accurate.
There is no reason to protect a fraud artists identity.
Today's world is fascinated by "identity theft" and believes the solution is to hide your identity, which is the EXACT situation where criminals most easily flourish. How can you stop this situation when no one knows who anyone is ?
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Mark_A_W
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | | Today's world is fascinated by "identity theft" and believes the solution is to hide your identity, which is the EXACT situation where criminals most easily flourish. How can you stop this situation when no one knows who anyone is ? |
Exactly Elaine. That's your real name right?
At least my moniker is most of my real name 
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jask
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | Elaine Benes wrote: | | Today's world is fascinated by "identity theft" and believes the solution is to hide your identity, which is the EXACT situation where criminals most easily flourish. How can you stop this situation when no one knows who anyone is ? |
Exactly Elaine. That's your real name right?
At least my moniker is most of my real name |
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Elaine Benes
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Elaine is not my real name, nor am I female, I just like the show Seinfeld a lot and there are so few(ie. NONE) women who frequent tech forums I thought it would be a nice change. I'm not worried about my identity being stolen, nor am I *trying* to keep it a secret.
You make a good point though, it is ubiquitous on the internet...
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