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KennyG



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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:43 am    Post subject: Reference Audio Mod's...just be aware

Anyone who might think about having their Blu-ray, DVD or CD player mod'ed needs to think twice about using "Reference Audio Mod's" out of Riverside CA.
These people have had my money since Dec 4th, three weeks ago I finally got the player...DOA.
Granted it was only a fuse...but then I noticed the face plate had five small "dings" on the left edge! AND the HDMI input had large scratches all around it!
I was promised a couple Audio grade Isolation transformers for all my trouble, only to be lied to about those too!
Since this happened, I have also received PM's at another forum about this company, and it's not good.
The player is back with Ref Audio, and my credit card company is now handling this matter.
So just a little knowledge, be aware!

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:44 pm    Post subject:

That's unfortunate! I bought a bunch of Black Gate electrolytic caps from them years ago... no issues then but then again, all they needed to do was take my money and ship me my order. Mods are a lot touchier.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:34 pm    Post subject:

thanks for letin us know Kenny, there's too many AV company's out there built around hollow promises. Sad

kal wrote:
Mods are a lot touchier.
Kal
you got that right. IT takes months to develop and test a process to do something on one specific machine. I don't know how some clowns can claim to be able to take any of dozens or hundreds of different DVD or BD players and have any chance of actually modifiying them to imporve them. Kenny's jacked up player is testament to the absurdity of such a claim.
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ecrabb
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject:

I just looked at their site... Much of it sounds like audiofool BS to me... No disrespect to you intended, Kenny.

For instance, this jewel of a mod on a Marantz BD player...
Quote:
Custom RAM Exotic Ultra High Speed Diode Bridge-
Replace the stock rectifiers with handmade RAM Exotic ultra fast SMD diodes. These are constructed with Audio Consulting Silver Wire. Very little metal is used, lowering eddy current issues thus providing better resolution and bass. We have compared these to the "Harris Soft Recovery Diodes" that we used to install and our diode bridges make the music sound cleaner and faster with no grain whatsoever!


Are they referring to what I think they're referring to? The rectifier in the PSU? Seriously... They're replacing the diodes in the RECTIFIER bridge? With "Exotic ultra fast SMD diodes"? And therefore "...lowering eddy current issues". How "fast" does a diode have to be to prevent reverse current flow?

Please. Based on that little bullet point alone, I'd be surprised if any of their mods were worth the shipping back and forth, let alone the price of the mod.

Sorry for your misfortune, Kenny. That sucks. They sound like grade-A snake-oil salesmen to me...

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject:

I didnt want to say it... but i agree SC. Embarassed
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:


For instance, this jewel of a mod on a Marantz BD player...
Quote:
Custom RAM Exotic Ultra High Speed Diode Bridge-
Replace the stock rectifiers with handmade RAM Exotic ultra fast SMD diodes. These are constructed with Audio Consulting Silver Wire. Very little metal is used, lowering eddy current issues thus providing better resolution and bass. We have compared these to the "Harris Soft Recovery Diodes" that we used to install and our diode bridges make the music sound cleaner and faster with no grain whatsoever!


SC


This one wins the award - no question this is the best technical gobbly-goop I've ever read.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:
ecrabb wrote:


For instance, this jewel of a mod on a Marantz BD player...
Quote:
Custom RAM Exotic Ultra High Speed Diode Bridge-
Replace the stock rectifiers with handmade RAM Exotic ultra fast SMD diodes. These are constructed with Audio Consulting Silver Wire. Very little metal is used, lowering eddy current issues thus providing better resolution and bass. We have compared these to the "Harris Soft Recovery Diodes" that we used to install and our diode bridges make the music sound cleaner and faster with no grain whatsoever!


SC


This one wins the award - no question this is the best technical gobbly-goop I've ever read.

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I was amp shopping about 10 years ago and was trying to decide between two models. the salesman told me the one was far superior due to the '24k gold mosfet transformers'.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject:

[quote="mp20748"]
ecrabb wrote:


For instance, this jewel of a mod on a Marantz BD player...
Quote:
Custom RAM Exotic Ultra High Speed Diode Bridge-
quote]

SC


This one wins the award - no question this is the best technical gobbly-goop I've ever read.

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Can I get that with whipped cream and a cherry on top? Wink

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject:

aenglish wrote:
the salesman told me the one was far superior due to the '24k gold mosfet transformers'.

Mosfet transformer, eh? Sounds like the hi-fi version of a muffler belt.

Speaking of bull**** items, I'll never forget my fraternity days sending plebes on missions to retrieve a tool such as a "board stretcher" from another fraternity house... This is a variation on the restaurant theme of sending new kitchen staff looking for "chicken lips", "cucumber clamps", or "buckets of steam".

Laughing

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
aenglish wrote:
the salesman told me the one was far superior due to the '24k gold mosfet transformers'.

Mosfet transformer, eh? Sounds like the hi-fi version of a muffler belt.

Speaking of bull**** items, I'll never forget my fraternity days sending plebes on missions to retrieve a tool such as a "board stretcher" from another fraternity house... This is a variation on the restaurant theme of sending new kitchen staff looking for "chicken lips", "cucumber clamps", or "buckets of steam".

Laughing

SC


My friends use to work for a chain of hardware stores. They had all the stores calling one another looking for a spark plug for a disel vacuum cleaner. Smile Eventually the call would come back to their store.

Good times.

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:26 am    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
aenglish wrote:
the salesman told me the one was far superior due to the '24k gold mosfet transformers'.

Mosfet transformer, eh? Sounds like the hi-fi version of a muffler belt.

Speaking of bull**** items, I'll never forget my fraternity days sending plebes on missions to retrieve a tool such as a "board stretcher" from another fraternity house... This is a variation on the restaurant theme of sending new kitchen staff looking for "chicken lips", "cucumber clamps", or "buckets of steam".

Laughing

SC


We used to convince new employees that there was a pool on the roof of the building. Then they would go ask the CEO for a "pool pass"

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject:

Yeah every where I worked there was some sort of noob gotcha thing Muffler bearing, Sky hook, Envelope strecher. I fell for that one. It was a mailing house and I thought it was like an expander. When I ask my friend he said to me it's out back and then he took me out back, across the parking lot to the bar where we staid for 2 hours.

When we got back it was time to go home, the foreman asked me where I had been. I said looking for the Envelope stretcher that so and so sent me to look for.

So and so got a call to the office. Laughing

Served em right picking on the FNG. Twisted Evil

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject:

In Boy Scouts I fell for the "Left Handed Smoke Shifter". They had me running around for hours looking for that one....
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:16 am    Post subject:

Worked at a grocery store. Always had the new employees fill the drinking fountain. Still laugh about it today.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:27 am    Post subject:

I need a left handed flam baffle and a muffler bearing for my disel powered vacuum cleaner Very Happy
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KennyG



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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, in the Navy we had the new guy go get us a bucket of "prop wash"...
I don't know about the diodes, but my system is good enough to hear the difference in allot of other things, and this play vs a stock Marantz is one of them.
I will say this player does sound a WHOLE lot better than the stock player, but then with all the mod's it had done to it, it should have.
He's now got the player back, and says he's going to replace the faceplate and send it back, whether I want it or not!
After 5 months I'm done with this company (actually, I think it's just one guy, a Kyle Takenaga) but he's now determined to ram it down my throat...I suppose we'll see what happens.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:49 am    Post subject: Sometimes.....

Our destroyer was in port in Frances. When it was time to leave, we sent a newbie in the engine room up go ask the Captain for the keys so we could "start the engines". It was an oil fired boiler, by the way - no keys. The Captain told him to go see the Commodore for the keys - on the carrier in the next town - and handed him the keys to the Captains in-port car. Off the newbie went. We left without him, admittedly just for a day outing / joy ride for the local government officials.

I found out later the Commodore had a good laugh about the trick, and then turned the tables on all of us. He sent the newbie with the Commodore's aide back to shore on a "wine fact-finding mission" for the day and got the kid totally ripped.

When I was sent by the lead electrician to go back to the shop and get a "Wiggins", describing it as a "box with a spring and a pointer", I knew it was BS. I spent the next hour smoking on the fantail. Imagine my surprise when a very pissed off lead electrician found me and showed me a tester made by the Wiggins Company, spring loaded solenoid and all. Woops!

Sometimes the tables get turned right around.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:20 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
I need a left handed flam baffle and a muffler bearing for my disel powered vacuum cleaner Very Happy

Diesel powered vacuum cleaner...Or V8 powered blender
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntAdpZuAbWg

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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject:

When I worked at Kinko's, I'd occasionally hand customers their jobs across the counter, top toward them, saying, "There was a problem with the run; these all came out upside down". It usually took people ten or fifteen seconds to figure it out.

If you deadpan something well enough, you can get away with the most absolutely egregious bull**** and people will believe it - which, of course, is why KennyG thinks his sounds better after having the "inverse cash infusion" mod done to his wallet. Not to be cruel, KennyG, but there's really only one explanation for your player's improved performance.

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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject:

Wow, you guys were creative. I never worked at other than very small companies, so big BS stuff never really flew.

I did get creative one day at the night club installation company I worked at, and wired a smoke machine to be triggered by the receptionist opening her desk (got in early one morning and wired a microswitch at the back of the drawer). It would have worked fine, but the other tech came in and decided to use the photocopier right before she came in...which is what I had unplugged to power up the smoke machine. He didn't see the smoke machine, unplugged it, plugged the copier back in. Piss me off.

The only effective one pulled on me was very simple: THe appliance guy popping a paper bag right behind me while I was working on the HV section of an old tube console TV. Bastard! Very Happy


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