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perisoft
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: Deal of the century from broadcaststore.com! |
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That's right, ladies and gentlemen, broadcaststore.com is offering you one hell of a deal on one hell of a monitor:
Sure, it's used, as-is, and has screen burn, but where else can you find these specs? With its capacious 14" size, 15khz scan rate, and support for such varied video standards as NTSC, PAL, NTSC, PAL, PAL, and NTSC, you can't go wrong! And with a razor-sharp resolution spec of 600 scanlines, you can rest assured that you're future-proofed with support for all current and future standard definition resolutions!
Pack all this into a svelte 62-pound package, and what more could you ask for?
Well - can you believe that you get the screen burn, the NTSC compatibility, and that sky-high 600-line resolution for only $498?
Don't walk, run to broadcaststore.com - because you definitely won't find deals like this anywhere else!
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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But it's got buttons and switches........  I love buttons and switches....... 
These new fan dangled tv's dont have any. You have to use the funky phone looking thingy..Hello, hello, is this tv on...... 
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MikeEby
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Rack mounted too...Dig that 4:3 aspect ratio...Its closer to the IMax aspect ratio then that crappy HDTV, think of it as IMax lite.
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perisoft
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | Rack mounted too...Dig that 4:3 aspect ratio...Its closer to the IMax aspect ratio then that crappy HDTV, think of it as IMax lite.
Mike |
IMin maybe? 
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I seriously need a room full of rack mounted monitors...without the rack. I love the pro stuff.
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kal
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perisoft
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | The high price of these units doesn't come from specs like resolution, it's because of the colour gamut and calibration capabilities. They're broadcast quality. You can't compare it to a $99 K-mart special. Even just a few years ago these cost many thousands of dollars.
Kal |
Maybe so, but $498 for a used one with screen burn - which presumably won't help the ol' color gamut much - seems excessive.
Is the same true of the $200 black-and-white versions? 
OK, I can understand calibration capabilities, but why in God's name is anyone using 4:3 CRTs when the vast majority of actual TV viewers are running 16:9 LCD/Plasmas? Having an accurate display is going to -prevent- you from seeing what the consumer is seeing anyway, I'd think.
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macgyver655
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | OK, I can understand calibration capabilities, but why in God's name is anyone using 4:3 CRTs when the vast majority of actual TV viewers are running 16:9 LCD/Plasmas? Having an accurate display is going to -prevent- you from seeing what the consumer is seeing anyway, I'd think. |
My take would be that this is probably why it is up for sale. With broadcast station having to switch to HD by whatever the deadline is now, they can no longer use it. Now as far as the screen burn is concerned, the tube can probably be replaced for a few hundred dollars and the machine is normally quite a few thousand. So for someone needing this type display, its a steal, if you can still acquire a new or reman CRT. Its like buying a crt projector with burned tubes for 500 dollars and after replacing the tubes for maybe 1500.00 it is then worth 10,000 dollars.
The question here is, who really needs this type display these days............ I dont know, maybe someone....... 
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kal
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | OK, I can understand calibration capabilities, but why in God's name is anyone using 4:3 CRTs when the vast majority of actual TV viewers are running 16:9 LCD/Plasmas? Having an accurate display is going to -prevent- you from seeing what the consumer is seeing anyway, I'd think. |
Huh? That's backwards! The broadcast standards were written 40-50 years ago. Broadcasters have been thankfully adhering to that standard since then (more or less). They should not try and compensate for incorrect displays that exist today that do not adhere to these standards! That's *EXACTLY* like adding fake sharpness in the form of Edge Enhancement to a disc because that some studios are doing because they feel that most people's TVs probably aren't sharp enough. That's a completely wrong approach.
Doing this would mean that someone with a CORRECTLY calibrated TV would not be seeing what the broadcaster intended. That's backwards. It would also mean that correct calibration would litterally become impossible as some studios or TV stations would be trying to compensate for TVs that don't meet certain standards while others would continue to follow the standard.
You need to watch the intro on this disc:
 Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics (DVD International)
Get the most out of your HD home theater using this disc and our Greyscale & Colour Calibration for Dummies guide.
It's very enlightening. Or read my 'Greyscale & Colour Calibration for Dummies' guide. I get into it as well. Here's a quote:
| Quote: | Why is greyscale & colour calibration needed at all?
This is a very good question and a valid complaint that most consumers have (or should have).
This question is best answered by answering some of the most common questions related to greyscale & colour calibration:
Why isn't my TV perfectly calibrated at the factory by the manufacturer? Why is this something I have to do myself or pay someone to do??
Unfortunately manufacturers do not seem interested in making sure their displays conform to the agreed upon and accepted colour standards used by television broadcasting and movie studios. In fact, they do quite the opposite and on purpose! In an attempt to sell more TVs, manufacturers are constantly trying to come up with "brighter blues" and "more vivid reds" than their competition. Similar to how laundry detergent manufacturers add blue dye to their soap to make whites "whiter", TV manufacturers are pushing colours to make their TVs seem more enticing to the buyer on the showroom floor full of different brands. How's a consumer to decide which TV to buy when faced with a wall of seemingly similar displays? Why, you pick the brightest one, or the one with the most vivid colours of course. Right? Wrong!
What you, the consumer, need to understand is that there is only ONE correct way to display colours: By following the industry wide recognized colour standards used for standard definition (SD) and high definition (HD). Everything else is simply wrong. Movies and TV shows are all meticulously created to adhere to these industry colour standards that have existed for years. For a TV or projector to reproduce what the director intends the audience to see, it has to follow these standards. No matter what the sales guys and manufacturers tell you, any TV that expands the colour range to go outside the bounds of the accepted industry colour standards is displaying incorrect colours! It is truly that simple and black and white. There are no tricks to this: The TV is either following the standards or it isn't. Remember this next time you go TV shopping! For more information on how manufacturers are purposely screwing up TVs and other displays to trick our brains into choosing their products, watch the first few chapters of the excellent Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics (Blu-ray) test disc (available on HD DVD too). |
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | OK, I can understand calibration capabilities, but why in God's name is anyone using 4:3 CRTs when the vast majority of actual TV viewers are running 16:9 LCD/Plasmas? Having an accurate display is going to -prevent- you from seeing what the consumer is seeing anyway, I'd think. |
Umm... There are THOUSANDS of local news affiliates all over the country still producing their shows in SD, Perisoft! Thousands! I'm in a metro market of nearly half a million, and while ONE station has announced their plans to go HD (at some point) all four are still SD and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
The capital expenditure to transition an entire ENG production pipeline from SD to HD costs a fortune - even for a small-market station. Cameras, NLEs, VTRs, switchers, weather, graphics, asset management... It all has to be moved to HD, and mostly at the same time. Especially given the economic climate, there are going to be local news affiliates running SD equipment for AT LEAST the next several years - if not much longer in the smaller markets. Not to mention all the college, high school, and cable facilities still doing SD production.
So, the Ikegami color studio monitor that probably sold new for $3500 isn't that bad of a deal at $500, especially considering that replacing it with something new that's comparable would probably be three or four thousand bucks - minimum. For a station engineer trying to stretch his budget, certainly not wanting to spend big bucks on end-of-life SD equipment, it could be a relatively cheap replacement for one that dies. Swap tubes and he's good to go again. That's money in the bank. Hell, it has 16:9 capability. Even if you moved to an HD production pipeline, you could still use the monitor in certain places where resolution wasn't important (a VTR/program monitor, for instance)... i.e (what's playing right now).
It may look old and useless to you, but for some people it has good utility - and will for some time.
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emdawgz1
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | | perisoft wrote: | | OK, I can understand calibration capabilities, but why in God's name is anyone using 4:3 CRTs when the vast majority of actual TV viewers are running 16:9 LCD/Plasmas? Having an accurate display is going to -prevent- you from seeing what the consumer is seeing anyway, I'd think. |
Umm... There are THOUSANDS of local news affiliates all over the country still producing their shows in SD, Perisoft! Thousands! I'm in a metro market of nearly half a million, and while ONE station has announced their plans to go HD (at some point) all four are still SD and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
The capital expenditure to transition an entire ENG production pipeline from SD to HD costs a fortune - even for a small-market station. Cameras, NLEs, VTRs, switchers, weather, graphics, asset management... It all has to be moved to HD, and mostly at the same time. Especially given the economic climate, there are going to be local news affiliates running SD equipment for AT LEAST the next several years - if not much longer in the smaller markets. Not to mention all the college, high school, and cable facilities still doing SD production.
So, the Ikegami color studio monitor that probably sold new for $3500 isn't that bad of a deal at $500, especially considering that replacing it with something new that's comparable would probably be three or four thousand bucks - minimum. For a station engineer trying to stretch his budget, certainly not wanting to spend big bucks on end-of-life SD equipment, it could be a relatively cheap replacement for one that dies. Swap tubes and he's good to go again. That's money in the bank. Hell, it has 16:9 capability. Even if you moved to an HD production pipeline, you could still use the monitor in certain places where resolution wasn't important (a VTR/program monitor, for instance)... i.e (what's playing right now).
It may look old and useless to you, but for some people it has good utility - and will for some time.
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you have ONE station broadcasting in HD????
Geeeze, our local publinc station is in hd. as well as the smaller locals like wb affiliates....
They have to get on the stick!!!
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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No, no... Everybody's broadcasting in HD - has been for years. I wasn't referring to the broadcast itself - I was referring to local programming production - non-network programming. As in, the content creation, not the broadcast signal itself. In other words, when you watch the local news, is it in HD? Most of the larger first-tier markets like LA, NYC, Phoenix, Denver, etc. have... Very few of the smaller markets have.
The PBS station is the only local studio actually producing content in HD, as far as I'm aware. Only one local network affiliate - the CBS affiliate - has announced plans to go to HD production, but hasn't given any date when they were planning to do so. The only reason we even know about the plans, is they remodeled the studio set, and said the makeover was in preparation for the move to HD... probably because you'd have seen how nasty the old set looked if they went to HD without replacing it.
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