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perisoft
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: Reclock vsync/tearing strangeness |
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I've got Reclock running with MPCHC for bluray playback and zplayer for DVD playback. All's wonderful, except for tearing about 85% of the way down the image. And it's not tearing *only* - apparently randomly, sometimes the part 'above the tear' will be totally smooth, and the part below will shake and judder like hell, and sometimes it'll be reversed. It seems to switch depending on when you start playback - pause and unpause and it might switch.
I noticed this when I first set up reclock, and tried the various vsync correction options to no avail. I had another look tonight... and now it says that vsync tools aren't available 'with this media type' (with bluray). Anybody know what's going on?
Another bit of oddness is that reclock always reports bluray as 1080i - and I get really nasty artifacts during smooth pans that I didn't before, that look almost exactly like interlacing. But if I pause at any given frame, it's clean. Grr.... any help appreciated on either front!
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Need more info.
Please list the filters you are using, and your hardware!
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perisoft
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Need more info.
Please list the filters you are using, and your hardware! |
Yeah, that might help... 
Hardware:
Core2Quad Q6600 @ 2.4, 4gb ram
3x500gb SATA
Some generic bluray drive 
Radeon HD4850
BG808s on secondary output via RGBHV and a Gefen VGA extender (basically just a signal booster)
Software setup:
Barco driven at 1696x1054@47.922p with powerstrip
Media Player Classic Home Cinema 1.2.1004.0, using:
- -VMR9 windowed
- -AC3Filter
- -MPC Video Decoder (FFmpeg - 4 threads, H264 deblock at default, error resilience careful, IDCT auto, read AR from stream yes
Reclock 1.8.3.8:
- -DirectDraw
- -Default 'determine frame rate' settings
- -Use GDI / PowerStrip for refresh rate detection
- -Enable VSYNC correction with VMR9/EVR/Haali
- -Enable VSYNC with other renderers
- -(these settings seem to have no impact on output, and 'Reclock Properties' says there aren't VSync tools for this media)
- -Oddness w/ Reclock: Video stream is reported as 1920x1080i, not p, at 23.976 - this is with all of the movies I've tried
That enough info? 
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benareeno
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Get Vista, and use the Aero desktop....there will be no tearing.
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perisoft
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| benareeno wrote: | | Get Vista, and use the Aero desktop....there will be no tearing. |
Hmm... it took some doing to find a renderer that would both allow gamma correction and not result in horrific audio desync, so I'm worried about a non-undoable upgrade to Vista that might make that totally impossible. Might not, but it's a pretty big risk... 
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Vista is better for HTPC....this is not even debatable anymore.
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perisoft
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I'm interested to try it at this point if I don't hear some other things to try, but I swear... If I do and it messes up my system, I'll find your ht and spin all your astig magnets around randomly!
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Try the Haali Renderer, but don't use Reclock V-sync (it has it's own V-sync).
The hardware is more than fine.
Try other video decoders in MPC, if you still have trouble. (CoreAVC or ffdshow), but I'd stick to the Internal MPC splitter (which may mean you need to add Haali Splitter in External filters and set it to BLOCK).
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perisoft
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | Try the Haali Renderer, but don't use Reclock V-sync (it has it's own V-sync).
The hardware is more than fine.
Try other video decoders in MPC, if you still have trouble. (CoreAVC or ffdshow), but I'd stick to the Internal MPC splitter (which may mean you need to add Haali Splitter in External filters and set it to BLOCK). |
When I ran Haali I had god-awful desync (varying from 0ms to 1500ms!)... that's why I'm using VMR9: It was the only renderer I found that would have no audio/video desync and also allow desktop gamma to work. I'll give the other decoder/splitter options a shot, though. Thanks.
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David_Web
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Haali splitter is far superior to the included (MPCHC even says so)
The desync with Haali renderer is a known bug I think. Just can't remember what causes it.
Have you disabled reclock?
Subs?
Haved you tried EVR on XP? Not much to write home about hen I tested it thug.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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The Haali Renderer and Haali Splitter are different things, although both are included in the Splitter install.
Haali is a better splitter than the MPC HC one for things like MKV files, and TS files.
But only the MPC splitter will "see" TrueHD streams and label the streams meaningfully when playing back a Bluray directly using MPC HC.
But I honestly don't understand your lipsync issue with the Haali Renderer.
What exactly are you playing? Bluray discs? MKV files of Bluray/HD-DVDs? 1080i mpeg2 TS files? DVDs?
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Gerbrand
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Since there has been no follow-up on this topic, I wondered if you ever got down to the 1080i issue. I have a similar set-up as yours (MPC-HC, Haali splitter, MPC Decoder (DXVA), Reclock) and Reclock also reports 1080i (or 720i) for all progressive sources.
I only found one other reference to this issue
http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2478
I do not see any issues with the picture (no tearing, combing or anything), but it still nags that something "is not quite right".
Cheers,
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perisoft
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Gerbrand wrote: | Since there has been no follow-up on this topic, I wondered if you ever got down to the 1080i issue. I have a similar set-up as yours (MPC-HC, Haali splitter, MPC Decoder (DXVA), Reclock) and Reclock also reports 1080i (or 720i) for all progressive sources.
I only found one other reference to this issue
http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2478
I do not see any issues with the picture (no tearing, combing or anything), but it still nags that something "is not quite right".
Cheers,
Gerbrand |
Interesting - but I'm not using HW acceleration, and I'm on an ATI HD4850.
The tearing goes away if I use fullscreen in MPCHC, by the way.
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I have been searching around a bit more and found this
[url]"http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-141076.html[/url]
Supposedly any decoder will report 24 fps material as interlaced, because it cannot distinguish. The renderer later on will set things right.
Gerbrand[/url]
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huggy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | Gerbrand wrote: | Since there has been no follow-up on this topic, I wondered if you ever got down to the 1080i issue. I have a similar set-up as yours (MPC-HC, Haali splitter, MPC Decoder (DXVA), Reclock) and Reclock also reports 1080i (or 720i) for all progressive sources.
I only found one other reference to this issue
http://www.arcsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2478
I do not see any issues with the picture (no tearing, combing or anything), but it still nags that something "is not quite right".
Cheers,
Gerbrand |
Interesting - but I'm not using HW acceleration, and I'm on an ATI HD4850.
The tearing goes away if I use fullscreen in MPCHC, by the way. |
Yes,I do the same but it get's annoying trying to exit fullscreen, only "control c" and task manager works.
I've since started using KM player and haven't had any tearing issue of late.
Dave
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