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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Zebu Fellenz wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: |
Thank you Captain Obvious!!! 
Somewhere earlier we were told these would not be usable for home theater because
the lens's were rotated in the housings 90 degrees for a "Stop Light" configuration.
That is what I was referring to. 
Athanasios |
Now I'm getting an headache..
Not sure what you're going to accomplish by rotating the lenses 90 degrees, unless I'm missing something here??
I have seen a many simulator with the CRT projectors mounted on rigs 'SIDEWAYS' this was done to save space in the install. Most flight simulators had multiple projectors firing at the multiple screens that it took to make up the simulators viewing.
And they pulled that off by mounting them sideways to conserve space. |
I believe he mispoke. From what I've heard some of the Longbows had the tubes mounted at 90 degrees.
Correct me if I am wrong of course. |
exactly, someone here, not sure which thread, told us that these might have the lens and tubes mounted in 90 Degree configuration. But those are for a longbow Dome i believe , these were for the Long bow Curved screen, Scott told me this Via E-mail after I asked him to do some research on them when i became concerned about the lens configuration possibility.
Sorry Mike but your comment sounded a bit Condescending, hence my Smart ass comment.
Athanasios
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stefuel
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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longbow......LONGBOW. Robin Hood was the master of the longbow, but he wore tights and I think he was mastering something else. I think he was involved in one of those...self...help...groups. 
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perisoft
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Zebu Fellenz wrote: | | mp20748 wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: |
Thank you Captain Obvious!!!
Somewhere earlier we were told these would not be usable for home theater because
the lens's were rotated in the housings 90 degrees for a "Stop Light" configuration.
That is what I was referring to.
Athanasios |
Now I'm getting an headache..
Not sure what you're going to accomplish by rotating the lenses 90 degrees, unless I'm missing something here??
I have seen a many simulator with the CRT projectors mounted on rigs 'SIDEWAYS' this was done to save space in the install. Most flight simulators had multiple projectors firing at the multiple screens that it took to make up the simulators viewing.
And they pulled that off by mounting them sideways to conserve space. |
I believe he mispoke. From what I've heard some of the Longbows had the tubes mounted at 90 degrees.
Correct me if I am wrong of course. |
Actually, no - the projector was rotated at 90 degrees, and they kept the tubes the way they were.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Ok I found out who said it!! It was CURT!!!!!!
Srcoll down to see the original.
https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=14958.html
| Curt Palme wrote: | Umm, guys, these sets are designed to be used VERTICALLY as in a stop light configuration. This from VDC thanks to Tim:
… Longbow is an 8500 with different ConVert, HDM and Firmware in the Control Board. Also special bulkhead for HD145 lenses. They look like HD6s but designed for 8” tubes. Top and Bottom Key and Pin work backwards from the direction you would expect. Designed to be mounted as a stoplight config … shorter vertical axis … Ya da Ya da … The bulkhead is the problem … it is different from the stock 8500 Ultra bulkhead …
So, while it's still a heck of a deal, and if you personally are using them, you can probably get around the software issues, but I think the tubes are rotated 90 degrees, so you see them in a 3:4 mode, not a 4:3 mode. |
Mine are not like this description.
Athanasios
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | The only people that will get rich off of those are the trucking company. $6K what kind of drugs are they smoking.
Mike |
I agree, maybe 2500 max, I can vouch these are definitely much better than a used Marquee 8500 or 9500 with hours on them. I mean this resolves 1080p@60 very well, @72 its also pretty good. But No WAY are they going to get 6000.
Athanasios |
But did they know any of this? I doubt it. They just buy as much stuff as they can and see how much money they can make off of it. More power to them, but I doubt they know the first thing about CRTs. They probably had some inside info on these and thought that it would be a good buy. They would have more value to the sim industry than the ebay and used CRT community.
I find it humorous that they don't sell to anyone out of the country. Hell, Curt has probably bought more used gov CRTs than they have. I think it would be funny if some one like Curt emailed them about buying them to see what their reply is.
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Zebu Fellenz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: |
Actually, no - the projector was rotated at 90 degrees, and they kept the tubes the way they were. |
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not 
They would have to rotate both to maintain the same aspect ratio on the tubeface. Anyway I bet they made them both ways so let's compromise and both be right 
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perisoft
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Zebu Fellenz wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
Actually, no - the projector was rotated at 90 degrees, and they kept the tubes the way they were. |
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not
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What, me, sarcastic?
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tse
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Zebu Fellenz wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
Actually, no - the projector was rotated at 90 degrees, and they kept the tubes the way they were. |
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not
They would have to rotate both to maintain the same aspect ratio on the tubeface. Anyway I bet they made them both ways so let's compromise and both be right |
Not sure about Longbow projectors but some projectors have been made in stoplight with tubes portrait, some with tubes landscape. Deflection yokes normal position, some with yokes 90 degrees from normal. Somebody has wanted them in any configuration that you can think of.
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | The only people that will get rich off of those are the trucking company. $6K what kind of drugs are they smoking.
Mike |
I agree, maybe 2500 max, I can vouch these are definitely much better than a used Marquee 8500 or 9500 with hours on them. I mean this resolves 1080p@60 very well, @72 its also pretty good. But No WAY are they going to get 6000.
Athanasios |
Athanasios I know two people who would would give you 2400 for yours.
I have set one of these up and a Guy who paid six grand for his Digital projector and twenty five for his room was blown away.
These are worth nothing sitting in a box somewhere but when completely set up in a room they are priceless.
When it is cheaper to buy a 2004 NIB Marquee 8503 Ultras with EXTRA bandwidth and expanded geometry abilities than getting a MP mod board set something strange is going on .
The petty FUD going around is funny .
I have seen MP mods and this machine resolves better than any of the THREE MP modded machines I have seen . Maybe newer Microns are better...?? Send me a set so I can test them directly.
In fact these are Very sharp and Bright for Marquees, on a quick setup I measured 12.5 ft-L easily on a medium sized 1 gain screen.
You think that guy on ebay is out of line you should see what VDC charges for these 
Bruce
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draganm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce 09 wrote: | When it is cheaper to buy a 2004 NIB Marquee 8503 Ultras with EXTRA bandwidth and expanded geometry abilities than getting a MP mod board set something strange is going on .
Bruce |
A refurbished old Marquee or custom board sets value depends on how much time and money the seller invested into it and what a buyer is willing to pay. What these machines sold for and what their true value is is almost irrelevant because in over 6 years this is the only time I have ever seen NIB Marquee's. You and Athanasios got lucky, so be gracoius about it . As a NIB machine, the're worth 50% of their original sale price. If I had known some E-bay junk seller was bidding on the other 7 I would have advertised the auction on every AV forum I could find.[/quote]
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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There were many people who knew but we all have to admit here most of us a cheap SOB's and even 1000 is too high for most I told Bruce I was going to id up to 1500 each, then in the excitement i told myself 2000 each as I would never find a NIB marquee again unless i won some large amounts of money or got my inheritance earlier than I wanted( i hope my parents out live me by the way). So even if you did post it , i dont think many would have gone up to 2000, the proof is in the final selling prices, none above 1300, and it was Bruce I think who had the highest bid, A die hard CRT fan Who has Money to blow.
I bought these wanting to make them 9500LC's, but now that i have seen what these are capable of and in total agreement with Bruce, i see no need to do a 9 inch blend. I will keep my 9500LC and the extra housings i do have, to either re-tube these when i feel fit or build two 9500LC's and give them to relatives or sell them. And even though I have no need for bellows any longer with these I still am spending my own money to get theme made, I put a lot of effort into it and dont want to see it die like so many other ambitious projects from other people on these forums.
I cant wait to get the Blend Up and last night I began the rough set up of one at 4x3 aspect and will move the second in soon.
Athanasios
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draganm
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not so sure everyone knew about them. There are CRT dealers in the EU who in the past, have driven the bid up like crazy on machines nowhere near as nice as these. Remember that huge pile of Burned to hell 9 inch tubes, somebody paid $4000. for that pallet of garbage. We never did find out but I bet it was a foreign buyer.
Anyways, I'm glad CRT lovers got at least half of them. AFA the junk dealers who got the other seven, the way the bidding ended sure suggests insider collusion on at least some of the auctions.
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Nashou66
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Well i finally found a setting that for the 1080p@72 that i dont get any ringing with short retrace. only thing now is my internal patters go way over the tube face while I have the external source on, and this is a pain when doing convergence using an external source of course as I have to cycle through the internal source's to get to the external . So Scott is there any way to avoid this?
Well i managed to do a quick set up to these new timings and watched a bit of a movie, man this thing is awesome.
Oh and a non related but interesting thing I came across with my LG Bh200 Multi blu player. This player an the C2-2250 did not like each other at first, then Tv-One came up with a fix but i coud only get it to output at 60Hx and not 24. So I decided to remove all the C2-2250's resolutions and keep only the 1080 @ 24 and 1080@48,72,and 96 thinking it force the Bh200 to go to 1080p@24 out. well the C2-2250 shows its locking toa 1920x1080 @ 72 hz signal!! I tried all the output res i saved to it and the lock sync shows the 72Hz every time, only if i remove all resolutions and leave 1080@24 will it sync to that(but no sync on the PJ of course) has any one heard of a BD player outputing a higher res than 1080p@ 60? I find this weird. I sent this issue to Tv-One.
I posted also int he dual format plyers forum about this.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131342
Athanasios
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tse
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Well i finally found a setting that for the 1080p@72 that i dont get any ringing with short retrace. only thing now is my internal patters go way over the tube face while I have the external source on, and this is a pain when doing convergence using an external source of course as I have to cycle through the internal source's to get to the external . So Scott is there any way to avoid this?
Well i managed to do a quick set up to these new timings and watched a bit of a movie, man this thing is awesome.
Oh and a non related but interesting ...........
Athanasios |
Yeah, that is one problem with not using all of the raster. The internal test patterns cover the raster not the picture. Another bummer is the convergence zones and internal test patterns are tied together. If the picture is phased enough to the right to avoid the ringing you essentially lose the five convergence points along the left side of the raster.
A couple of years ago I tried to get this changed but didn't get any traction. The int test patterns and convergence zones are set in the firmware. With some work the edges could have been tied to the blanking so that when the left blanking is moved to the right the test patterns and zones would start there and end where the right blanking is set. Sorry, that never happened.
Scott
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draganm
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| tse wrote: | A couple of years ago I tried to get this changed but didn't get any traction. The int test patterns and convergence zones are set in the firmware. With some work the edges could have been tied to the blanking so that when the left blanking is moved to the right the test patterns and zones would start there and end where the right blanking is set. Sorry, that never happened.
Scott |
no need to apologize , the Marquee isn't perfect but it's pretty dam close 
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| tse wrote: | | Nashou66 wrote: | Well i finally found a setting that for the 1080p@72 that i dont get any ringing with short retrace. only thing now is my internal patters go way over the tube face while I have the external source on, and this is a pain when doing convergence using an external source of course as I have to cycle through the internal source's to get to the external . So Scott is there any way to avoid this?
Well i managed to do a quick set up to these new timings and watched a bit of a movie, man this thing is awesome.
Oh and a non related but interesting ...........
Athanasios |
Yeah, that is one problem with not using all of the raster. The internal test patterns cover the raster not the picture. Another bummer is the convergence zones and internal test patterns are tied together. If the picture is phased enough to the right to avoid the ringing you essentially lose the five convergence points along the left side of the raster.
A couple of years ago I tried to get this changed but didn't get any traction. The int test patterns and convergence zones are set in the firmware. With some work the edges could have been tied to the blanking so that when the left blanking is moved to the right the test patterns and zones would start there and end where the right blanking is set. Sorry, that never happened.
Scott |
Your time was better spent on the peaking circuit, my pixel clock for those timings is 211Mhz(according to my resolution editor PG) and the image is just stunning.
But if you do find time that blanking feature would be great. I often wondered if that area we cant see converged is causing the banding so famous in the Marquee.
Thanasi
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nomadII
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I bit my keyboard so to speak, but turning these into 9" machines was never a good plan.
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