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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| MikeEby wrote: | Athanasios,
How the hell do you ever have time to watch a movie? Brand new ficking projectors and you have the boards, software and lenses ripped out of them.
Well at least yours were working before you started....Tell me you did fire them up...Didn't you?
My XG as been on the ceiling for 7 years....Get blending!!! NEED SCREEN SHOTS!!!
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Lens's are still in it, i am not taking those out unless i can find one more set of HD145 colored, I do have one set of Hd144's and Hd145s colored and an extra green HD145, so I could use the greens for the blend.
I need to figure out this saturday night about the sync issues for some res's out of the Tv-Ones. Not sure if its the Specific way the LongBows were built or if its the Sync timing numbers the Marquee's don't like... but i tried those on my other Marquee's and I don't remember a problem IIRC, I have so many CRT related things going on I cant keep track But #1 is for the Marquee guys and Bellows. I forgot to post something in that thread, off to do it now.
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MikeEby
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 5237 Location: Osceola, Indiana
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What resolution are you using?
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Well, just for checking what these can do i wanted to try 1080p@60 but all edges were squiggly which leads me to believe the sync timings are too short, it stabilizes with 1080p@70, its what I took the screen shots of the rough set up earlier in this thread. I looked at the resolution editor program that you use to delete,change or add resolutions and their associated timings to the VP.. In the advanced section it shows what all the timings are for the resolution selected. here you can adjust all the timings similar to how a HTPC resolution editor works(I know how they look mike thanks to some of your posts on this )
So I need to adjust hose and see what happens. I hope its that and not the electronics being designed for specific use. I'd then have to remove those from the associated boards. I'll try straight to the PJ tonight from the player. at work now and about to leave.
Athanasios
PS how do you take a screen shot of a program so I can post the resolution editor of the TV-One unit?
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Zebu Fellenz
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| Nashou66 wrote: |
PS how do you take a screen shot of a program so I can post the resolution editor of the TV-One unit? |
If this is on Windows use (Ctrl+Print Screen) this will do a screen capture. Then you can paste the image into paint.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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nomadII
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Love this thread. Person I thought was the most intelligent I have ever met managed to get himself kicked out of the USAFA (Air Force Academy) then redeemed himself by taking 24 hours a semester & working full time at UT with mainly Aerospace Engineering classes. The Air Force wisely decided to take him back.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| nomadII wrote: | | Love this thread. Person I thought was the most intelligent I have ever met managed to get himself kicked out of the USAFA (Air Force Academy) then redeemed himself by taking 24 hours a semester & working full time at UT with mainly Aerospace Engineering classes. The Air Force wisely decided to take him back. |
???
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MikeEby
Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 5237 Location: Osceola, Indiana
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That does look just like PowerStrip. Are you just trying to use one TVOne now? I guess I'm not fully understanding what your doing, were you going to try a stack first, then move to a blend?
What resolution is the final goal to each projector when blending?
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| MikeEby wrote: | That does look just like PowerStrip. Are you just trying to use one TVOne now? I guess I'm not fully understanding what your doing, were you going to try a stack first, then move to a blend?
What resolution is the final goal to each projector when blending?
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For now I just want to test them out to see if the longBow modifications would cause any issues and it looks like they are.
I still will try with my lumagen tonight, as it might be the player more than the PJ.
Athanasios
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tse
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 1014 Location: Sweatbucket, Fl.
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The Marquee will not be happy with the 0.297us horizontal sync width. Try changing the horiz front porch to 20 pixels, sync width to 140 pixels, and back porch to 120 pixels. That should work ok but you will probably have some "jail bar" ringing on the left side with the short retrace.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| tse wrote: | The Marquee will not be happy with the 0.297us horizontal sync width. Try changing the horiz front porch to 20 pixels, sync width to 140 pixels, and back porch to 120 pixels. That should work ok but you will probably have some "jail bar" ringing on the left side with the short retrace.
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Yes I got it to work by increasing the us timing to something over 1us when adding the front porch and the sync width and back porch on the TV-One, i was concerned it was the long Bow electronics beacuse those resolutions worked on my 9500LC and the 8500 AC i have. Maybe the BW tweek you have makes it more sensitive to timings than a stock Marquee.
It weird though on the TV-One when I alter the timings in that program and i click update the 72hz refresh rate changes
and wont stay constant.... i think i can then go back an change it but i think it then changes the timing numbers a bit, I have to try again.
Athanasios
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tse
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 1014 Location: Sweatbucket, Fl.
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The variable caps on the VIM help to compensate for the low pass filter made up of U13 series resistance (red channel) and all the capacitances between U11 and U14 input. Use the variable caps to make one pixel on/one pixel off test pattern as near the same as possible to the one line on/one line off test pattern.
Signals shown are one pixel on/one pixel off series at 2048x1536@60Hz. Top trace is output of U11. Middle trace is input to U14 with no peaking. Bottom trace shows input to U14 with peaking circuit added.
The neck card is essentially another low pass filter that can be somewhat compensated for by (over)peaking the output of U11.
This mod gives enough bandwidth for pixel clock 240MHz needed for QXGA (2048x1536@60Hz). Standard configuration is a little low for 150MHz pixel clock or 1600x1200@60Hz or 1920x1080@60Hz.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:20 am Post subject: Bandwidth peaking circuit is awesome! thanks Scott!! |
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| tse wrote: | The variable caps on the VIM help to compensate for the low pass filter made up of U13 series resistance (red channel) and all the capacitances between U11 and U14 input. Use the variable caps to make one pixel on/one pixel off test pattern as near the same as possible to the one line on/one line off test pattern.
Signals shown are one pixel on/one pixel off series at 2048x1536@60Hz. Top trace is output of U11. Middle trace is input to U14 with no peaking. Bottom trace shows input to U14 with peaking circuit added.
The neck card is essentially another low pass filter that can be somewhat compensated for by (over)peaking the output of U11.
This mod gives enough bandwidth for pixel clock 240MHz needed for QXGA (2048x1536@60Hz). Standard configuration is a little low for 150MHz pixel clock or 1600x1200@60Hz or 1920x1080@60Hz.
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Thanks for the Nugget Scott! This is secrete stuff This si why i was surprised to see the one line on one line off
look fairly good with a quick and dirty set up, the stock 2035-03p vim i compared it do did ok but not as well
as this latest Vim Revision 21.
Are their any other newer revisions to the Vim and VNB that make a noticeable difference of are they just minor stuff?
PS: this Post is definitely getting book marked
Athanasios
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Ok I tried your settings and I am getting the Jail bars but on 1920x800@72 i don't have them i have huge porch and sync setting though, the image is squished sideways but the size control on the pj compensates. Now for the blend(jsut messing with one PJ for now) i am not sure what to use for the Horizontal size from 1920, i think 1152 is what i should be shooting for right?
That be for a 10% blend zone on one PJ.... 1920x 10%=192 lines of blend zone 192x2=384 for the total blend zone so if i do 1152x2=2304 the subtract the 384 blend zone id get 1920.
But with the Tv-Ones I think I can go to a smaller bled zone thus using more of the full phosphor so i could try a 5% that be 1920 x 5%=96 , so 96x2=192 for a total blend zone. So that be 1056 x2 =2112 then subtract the 192 blend zone and I'll get the 1920. I Guess I'll look over the C2-2250 manual and blend zone guide.
I should also down load the blend zone calculator they have and mess around with it, Were is Boilermaker when i need him!!! I think he used 1152 per PJ?
Athanasios
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Nashou66
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Ok On 1080p@72 I am getting jails bars and increasing the porches and syncs does nothing, i need to move the image at least 3/4 inch from the left side of the tube face to get out of the "ring zone" that is just a big waste of phosphor. I still need to upload my custom settings for the blend and see if I get any ringing there. I guess I should not worry about it if in the blend it wont matter... but i hate not being able to solve problems!!! i guess thas why i have not done the blend yet little issues keep nit picking at me.
Also Bruce pointed out to me that when you press the info button* that the PJ comes up as a 8503? Scott what does this designation mean? is it specific to the 2.35 modification? Oh and this PJ now has 63 hours on it
Athanasios
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
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Just out of curiosity (didn't read the whole thread here, sorry!), what was the original hour count? Was it a true 0, or does VDC run them a bit and doesn't reset the hour meter?
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Nashou66
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Just out of curiosity (didn't read the whole thread here, sorry!), what was the original hour count? Was it a true 0, or does VDC run them a bit and doesn't reset the hour meter? |
They must run them some because i know i have not put on 63 hours... i might have got up to 13.
Bruce told me what his was... let me find it... he had 64 hours on his but he said his was opened.
Athanasios
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Spanky Ham
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VDC runs them. They put them in a little booth and run them for I thought 100 hours, but maybe it is 50. I think they also do a set-up on them to make sure everything is running ok.
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tse
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Hummmm. I though they were burned in for 100 hours, too. They are set up for customer's video format, throw distance, and screen size. The Longbows are set for a very high resolution but it is an interlaced video format.
Scott
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Nashou66
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| tse wrote: | Hummmm. I though they were burned in for 100 hours, too. They are set up for customer's video format, throw distance, and screen size. The Longbows are set for a very high resolution but it is an interlaced video format.
Scott |
I did try it at 1080i at 120Hz and i had no ringing with that. but 1080p@60 or 72 i get ringing and have to move the image way way over. i tried making the porch settings large for the back and sync but no luck. Scott how big can I go with total Lines? Does that make the raster larger? If so then I can just make the raster go way over the tube face and then keep the image 1/4 inch from the edge, this should then maybe give me more room for the beam to settle down with out wasting
phosphor.
Athanasios
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