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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: |
a. get MP to mod your boys. . |
Then you would have 2 lowly late model 8500 AC ultras in a meger blend. 
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm .....I am leaning toward #1 also for now, i think i could sell of some of the 9 inch tubes and keep enough for the blend once the 8 inch tubes show wear.
I can either keep two sets of HD10's for that PJ and keep the LC housings also, put in the tubes from other 8 inch sets and sell off the 8 inch highly personally modded personal PJ for cheap with HD144's. Or i can find another set of LC 9 inch housings and convert the 8500 to a 9500LC and sell that with the thomas tubes and VNB mods done. it be a new tube 9500LC.
man!! I keep taking one step back towards the blend!!! I need to stay off the internet for a few months so i don't keep buying stuff for CRT's!!!!
Athanasios
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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Not interested in spending that much money on MP mods to bran new Boards, also i am not sure what version VIM VDC used in the 2004 models... it might be a new version not often seen, VDC has not been sitting idle on design for the marquee. We think these might be a newer version of VNB's past the 02 ,03 versions.
I think they are up to 05 now. Also this PJ has some kind of special gamma boards according to the conversation between Nathan at VDC and Bruce.
Also I have been working on my own version of mods for the VNB's and Vims that I think are quite good.
this will be gnawing at me now for days.....
Athanasios
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | get MP to mod your boys. The expanded bandwith will do wonders for the end product.
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Might reduce bandwidth !!
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Nashou66
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Bruce 09"] | Quote: |
It should be fun to see what these actually have in them, They are special build to order for Boeing and
Should be some nice upgrades in these units, built in Gamma might be nice .
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I cant wait to go get them. They Should be nice, i wonder if the warranty cards will still be valid for us? I guess we need to ask nathan at VDC.
Some went very cheap, i think i did well on my two combined...if i stoped with my first one i think i did VERY well then, But I wanted two for the blend so i had to bite it and go a bit higher. i was planing to stop at 1500 per PJ and I did better for sure!!!!
I hope to go next week to get at least my two and maybe Bruce's if I can get a free panel truck from a friends business.
I wonder if any improvements were made on these 2004 models compared to any earlier ones. And I cant wait to see how they mounted the HD145's
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Bruce,
I know I told you that after I talked to Scott that he was just trying to maintain the performance level of the Marquees. I believe Scott told me that an older Marquee could be brought to newer spec with a couple of new boards (VIM, neckboards, ?, I don't remember). While there might be some new stuff on these Marquees, these items may have little effect for HT.
I think the best thing that you guys got out of this is the fact that they have never been used. They should be fun to play with.
Nash,
I doubt you are getting a warranty, if they are five years old.
On your blend, I think you are better off going with the stock pjs. How much better can a 9" tube display 1100x800p? The bigger upgrade would be LC. I guess the better question would be how long would it take you to retrofit these new pjs? If you could do it within the next month or two, then maybe it would be worthwhile. That being said, I still think just putting them on the ceiling with the 8" tubes is probably your best bet right now. Of course, I am biased. Clarence called me out in the other thread, so I need someone to tell me how great an 8" blend can be.  Well, Boilermaker not withstanding.
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 3) HD10 series lens's which I have seen both and are much sharper than HD14x series |
Yes most 10 series can resolve better BUT ....VDC has put 145s on for years, 145s mounted correctly in relation to the Tube face, NOT lens mount face is very important they will be sharp !!
Hacked conversions I have seen actually make them perform worse than some hd8s . Also in some respects AC is sharper than LC.
These were bred for for blending so it should be pretty easy . I am not sure what I will do either but I will probably make one a 9500.
Bruce
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I know I told you that after I talked to Scott that he was just trying to maintain the performance level of the Marquees. I believe Scott told me that an older Marquee could be brought to newer spec with a couple of new boards (VIM, neckboards, ?, I don't remember). While there might be some new stuff on these Marquees, these items may have little effect for HT. |
He is pretty modest, BUT He himself has said quite a few times they have not sat idle on the advancement of the Marquee and still and are continually advancing.
MP came back with a lot of NEW ideas for his Band with improvements .
What do you think Scott developed the Gamma circuit for. 
HDM, VDM , CLM , VIM , FCM Focus, Neck boards, Convergence board , Upgraded CCM, Converge on green , Geometry , Gamma correction , Stigmater.
I can`t remember the rest either
Bruce
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Umm, guys, these sets are designed to be used VERTICALLY as in a stop light configuration. This from VDC thanks to Tim:
… Longbow is an 8500 with different ConVert, HDM and Firmware in the Control Board. Also special bulkhead for HD145 lenses. They look like HD6s but designed for 8” tubes. Top and Bottom Key and Pin work backwards from the direction you would expect. Designed to be mounted as a stoplight config … shorter vertical axis … Ya da Ya da … The bulkhead is the problem … it is different from the stock 8500 Ultra bulkhead …
So, while it's still a heck of a deal, and if you personally are using them, you can probably get around the software issues, but I think the tubes are rotated 90 degrees, so you see them in a 3:4 mode, not a 4:3 mode.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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If ya need stock 8500 tube mounting hardware, I've got some spares. Of course I've thrown craploads out in the last couple of months..
Should have enough for 3-4 sets if ya need them.
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Also special bulkhead for HD145 lenses. The bulkhead is the problem … it is different from the stock 8500 Ultra bulkhead …
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To convert back to 180DMB22 tubes and HD-8 lenses ?
| Quote: | If ya need stock 8500 tube mounting hardware, I've got some spares.
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Cool thanks Curt .
If you are keeping the same lenses and tubes what is the problem if it is different than the standard bulkhead .
A tube rotation should be all that is needed for image orientation , UNLESS you decide you decide to go to 2004 new in box 9500LC Ultra.
Bruce
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Bruce 09 wrote: |
He is pretty modest, BUT He himself has said quite a few times they have not sat idle on the advancement of the Marquee and still and are continually advancing.
MP came back with a lot of NEW ideas for his Band with improvements .
What do you think Scott developed the Gamma circuit for.
HDM, VDM , CLM , VIM , FCM Focus, Neck boards, Convergence board , Upgraded CCM, Converge on green , Geometry , Gamma correction , Stigmater.
I can`t remember the rest either
Bruce |
Yes he is modest, but he said that there hasn't been a lot of development on CRT pj electronics. I mean I hope you guys find something good.
As for the gamma circuit, I think he designed that in 2005. He may have designed it for the Marquee first, but I don't ever remember him mentioning that.
As for the boards, I believe it was only three. I am not a Marquee guy, so I don't remember what they were.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just so people know, I am not bashing Bruce on buying these pjs. Bruce is one of the people in this hobby that do this because he is interested in CRTs not how much he can make on them. I think most of the people that are looking to make money on CRTs (like Elaine  ) have pretty much moved on.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Heywood Jablome wrote: | | I'm still trolling for a 2035-03P VIM and 2,4,6 magnets, so if any are being parted out... |
the 03P VIM was late 1995 early 96 only. No more were ever made and they don't make them today. I have one listed in the FS section for a fair price i think?
Athanasios don't tear them apart to put in old 9"LC tubes that might leak and ruin them  They are too beautiful so just run them.
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I think most of the people that are looking to make money on CRTs (like Elaine ) have pretty much moved on. |
well there's still some people making money, that is if you consider $5. per hour labpor as "making money". That's what it comes out to when you take a 12 year old 8500 and really bring it up to spec. and make it look decent too, somethign fit for someones home. I think all the people that refurbish these machines and sell them are motivated mostly by the love for the technology and a desire to keep a great piece of gear out of the land-fill.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| draganm wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | I think most of the people that are looking to make money on CRTs (like Elaine ) have pretty much moved on. |
well there's still some people making money, that is if you consider $5. per hour labpor as "making money". That's what it comes out to when you take a 12 year old 8500 and really bring it up to spec. and make it look decent too, somethign fit for someones home. I think all the people that refurbish these machines and sell them are motivated mostly by the love for the technology and a desire to keep a great piece of gear out of the land-fill. |
Maybe now, but it wasn't like that in the past. Plus, there were some who would grab a pj quickly off ebay with BIN and then list it on AVS.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Umm, guys, these sets are designed to be used VERTICALLY as in a stop light configuration. This from VDC thanks to Tim:
… Longbow is an 8500 with different ConVert, HDM and Firmware in the Control Board. Also special bulkhead for HD145 lenses. They look like HD6s but designed for 8” tubes. Top and Bottom Key and Pin work backwards from the direction you would expect. Designed to be mounted as a stoplight config … shorter vertical axis … Ya da Ya da … The bulkhead is the problem … it is different from the stock 8500 Ultra bulkhead …
So, while it's still a heck of a deal, and if you personally are using them, you can probably get around the software issues, but I think the tubes are rotated 90 degrees, so you see them in a 3:4 mode, not a 4:3 mode. |
Hmmm Scott just sent me this E-Mail:
| Quote: | The longbow units have a slightly modified HDM which has more keystone
ability but, if I remember right, limits the horizontal frequency to 60KHz.
The programable IC on the daughter board is different from the one on
standard card. I'll try to remember to get the schematic if you want to
restore to standard.
Scott
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So basicly with a few software changes we're all set, and then we have to worry about the lens/tube orientation which I am pretty confident I can make it work, if not I have a stock pile of 9 inch tubes to convert them.
I can have new U35 chips burned from Aferg with Version 6, or just see how the software works on these and try to find a workaround like Curt says. I am most intrested in the mounting of the HD145's more than anyhting, Scott is going to get back to me about the chip on the HDM, a simple swap with a stock marquee HDM daughter board chip may be all it needs.
Now looking at what Curt wrote and what Scott told me about the 60Hz scan rate it makes since, the H scan rate has to be limited now because of the orientation of the 90 degree rotation of the tubes. For my Blend this might not be a problem if TV-One implements the rotation feature Andy mentioned on the TV-One thread on AVS, id only then have to worry about the new HDM chip to go to the higher scan rate. If not I have a Ultra HDM here and can reprogram a new chip from Aferg so I will have two.
Any how what ever these are I will let you all know what the differences are and will post pics of any thing different in the chassis I may find. I wonder if i use three of these and one more Blend unit if I can do a triple blend and go to a 1.85 aspect
ratio or some other variation...ok now i am getting crazy..A conversion will definitely be needed.
Athanasios
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draganm
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Maybe now, but it wasn't like that in the past. Plus, there were some who would grab a pj quickly off ebay with BIN and then list it on AVS. |
well those guys are mostly gone and good riddance. Did you ever notice how few arguments there are now? The people that are left now are CRT die-hards, and it's a better forum too.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | If ya need stock 8500 tube mounting hardware, I've got some spares. Of course I've thrown craploads out in the last couple of months..
Should have enough for 3-4 sets if ya need them. |
Too bad looks like there might be a market for 15 sets now !!!
Hopefully I can figure out if a way to rotate the tubes back. Scott is looking for the schematics for these and which chips on the HDM need to be programed back to stock Ultra configuration. The rest of the software I do not think should be an issue. Is there a special designation for ultra software for U35 or does most of it reside on U7 of the DPB. I Know that is the main difference between a stock CLM and an Ultras.
Athanasios
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