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zaphod
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| WanMan wrote: | | zaphod wrote: | | ah. well the problem therein lies ... i have a real hard time letting go of toys. just ask my wife. although i do have a couple of reel2reels that aren't doing much... |
Your wife is a toy? |
ummmm, allow me to rephrase that ... 
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Curt Palme
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Typo in title fixed, that was driving me nuts! 
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michael k
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i have a ld-s9  rip
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emdawgz1
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Every time i see this thread i keep hearing Bily Joel.....
"Say goodbye to laserdisc.....Say goodbye my baby..." 
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KellenerSptM5
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Actually Beta is still alive and well in production in multiple forms. Most of the TV stations/Networks that shoot HD do so on Beta tapes known as HDCAM. So even Beta still survives.
| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | In other news, Sony stopped making Beta machines sometime in the early 90s. |
Actually not till 2002
EDIT: Oops SC beat me too it.
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draganm
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I could hear the difference on LD. AC3 vs the 2 channel mix. No contest. 2 Channel always sounded better. |
I thought LD's were analog audio, I'm pretty sure the early ones were? If so then that would easilly explain the preference people have for the Audio.
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AnalogRocks
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Let's put on the way back cap and see what I can remember.
AC3 took up the analog audio chanel I think and there were 2 other audio chanels for L+R. Can't remember if those were Analog too??
All my Pioneer LD players have bit the dust. 
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ecrabb
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | Actually Beta is still alive and well in production in multiple forms. Most of the TV stations/Networks that shoot HD do so on Beta tapes known as HDCAM. So even Beta still survives. |
Well, if you consider the plastic shell of an HDCAM tape as "Betamax being alive", then I guess technically it is. Early Betacam and Betamax had only the physical tape and transport mechanism in common, but now everything is even more different than it was then. The plastic shell is literally the only thing the two have in common anymore.
| draganm wrote: | | I thought LD's were analog audio, I'm pretty sure the early ones were? If so then that would easilly explain the preference people have for the Audio. |
Yep. LD audio was analog in the beginning... for years. Then, Pioneer later added CD-quality PCM. Still later, they started replacing the analog tracks with AC-3 (one analog channel) or both PCM channels for a DTS stream. That's why DTS sounded so great on LD... it was a nearly 1.5 mbps DTS stream compared to a 384 kbps AC-3 stream. Duh!
As for why LD sounded so good, it was NOT the stereo or matrix-encoded analog tracks. Most of those discs did not sound that great. It wasn't until 1985 (I think) and uncompressed PCM that LD got really good sound. Before that the analog tracks were really hit and miss. Then, AC-3 and DTS on LD were, of course, the very beginning of really good multi-channel discrete surround at home - even though they were compressed.
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KellenerSptM5
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I would consider ED Beta and the evolution for Digital Betacam to HDCAM to be along the same lines. ED Beta players used the 4 heads and the metal tape as the Digital Betacam vs 2 heads and metal oxide tape in Betamax. Hell, ED Beta exceeded Digital Betacam in lines of resolution. The major difference would be the evolution from analog recording to digital recording and color space. Certainly tape speeds are higher, etc, but I would definitely consider Beta to be alive and well...
| ecrabb wrote: | | KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | Actually Beta is still alive and well in production in multiple forms. Most of the TV stations/Networks that shoot HD do so on Beta tapes known as HDCAM. So even Beta still survives. |
Well, if you consider the plastic shell of an HDCAM tape as "Betamax being alive", then I guess technically it is. Early Betacam and Betamax had only the physical tape and transport mechanism in common, but now everything is even more different than it was then. The plastic shell is literally the only thing the two have in common anymore.
| draganm wrote: | | I thought LD's were analog audio, I'm pretty sure the early ones were? If so then that would easilly explain the preference people have for the Audio. |
Yep. LD audio was analog in the beginning... for years. Then, Pioneer later added CD-quality PCM. Still later, they started replacing the analog tracks with AC-3 (one analog channel) or both PCM channels for a DTS stream. That's why DTS sounded so great on LD... it was a nearly 1.5 mbps DTS stream compared to a 384 kbps AC-3 stream. Duh!
As for why LD sounded so good, it was NOT the stereo or matrix-encoded analog tracks. Most of those discs did not sound that great. It wasn't until 1985 (I think) and uncompressed PCM that LD got really good sound. Before that the analog tracks were really hit and miss. Then, AC-3 and DTS on LD were, of course, the very beginning of really good multi-channel discrete surround at home - even though they were compressed.
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jkruger
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I picked up a Panasonic AG LD30 player for a few bucks yesterday. Having never had a laserdisc before, I'm considering hooking it up to the pj just to try it out. I'm confused by the BNC video connector on the back. Is it just an extra composite output?
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ecrabb
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| jkruger wrote: | | I'm confused by the BNC video connector on the back. Is it just an extra composite output? |
Yep. Most LD players didn't have one, but since most pro/commercial gear at the time used BNC's, and that Panasonic model was sold primarily for commercial applications, they had a BNC composite connector.
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ecrabb
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| KellenerSptM5 wrote: | | The major difference would be the evolution from analog recording to digital recording and color space. Certainly tape speeds are higher, etc, but I would definitely consider Beta to be alive and well... |
I guess you could say that. But, to me that's like saying VHS was still alive a few years ago because the D-VHS players were technically VHS. You could make that case, but to me, they're different - there was VHS, and there was D-VHS. But, hey - If you say so!
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