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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:10 pm    Post subject: BG 1209 won't lock at 1080p...

Hi guyzz,

For months now, I'm very much enjoying the superb picture quality of my BG-1209.
I mostly use it at 1600x900 and when I need 4:3, at 1600x1200.. But somehow, the 1209
won't lock higher resolutions like 1080p (1920x1080/60hz)
The only thing I get is a very dim scrolling image that won't lock into place..

Now, with my seating distance/screenwidth ratio, I think I don't need to go higher than
1600x1200 but I want to get a taste of the higher resolutions anyway..

My setup: Vaio AR-51SU / HD-Fury(-1 not the Fury-2)..

I recall that I tested the 1080p on the Fury earlier on a High-end Eizo monitor and that worked fine.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that High-scan works fine: 1280x1024/75Hz and 1600x1200/60Hz both work
in high-scan at 74 kHz..

So, can anyone help me with this?


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rod



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject:

what port are you hooking up to?
Here is some simple suggestions just to rule out:
1) is the HDFURY powered with the AC adapter?. I've seen it reported that 1080P will not work without additional power source. also my adapter is broke and I cannot display 1080p but I can with 720P and 1080i.
2) try using -ve sync. with some Barcos they give unpredictable results with +ve sync. I'm not sure if the 1209 falls into this category but it doesn't for earlier models (1208, 808, etc).

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Ile



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject:

1209 sync to 1080p60 or 1080p72 fine with negative syncs set from source or with sync box.
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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject:

Hi Rod and Ile, thanks for the quick answers..

Ok, I knew i forgot some details: Yes, I use the AC-powered Fury. So it should not be the power issue.
And it's connected to port-3..

But the negative sync sounds very interesting! Do I need extra stuff for that or is it possible to do
this with my current setup..


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AnalogRocks
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject:

HighDefDude wrote:
Hi Rod and Ile, thanks for the quick answers..

Ok, I knew i forgot some details: Yes, Iuse the AC-powered Fury. So it should not be the power issue.
And it's connected on port-3..

But the negative sync sounds very interesting! Do I need extra stuff for that or is it possible to do
this with my current setup..


Regards,

HDD


For negative sync you'll need one of the external boxes like and Extron 202, GammaX, Box1020, RTC2200, Buf2000 Etc...

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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject:

Hi Analog,

Do you happen to know which of those is the best for the Fury?
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject:

Can't you change the sync settings on the Vaio, maybe with help of Powerstrip sw?

André

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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject:

don't know, must look into that.

But can the Vaio make the Fury put out neg sync?? Isn't this hardware related?

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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject:

Ohhh missed the Viao reference.

What video card does the Viao have in it?

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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject:

Gforce M8600 GT..

I found a 1080i setting, and that works good, picture definitely sharper but as it is interlaced, I can see scanlines
scrolling when the image moves up or down slowly..

But with projecting pictures that is not an issue. Earlier I made some testimages and now the 1209 fully resolves
the 1920x1080 testgrid I projected, and going through my photo albums, with near jawdropping results!

I read good things about the RTC2200, would that be a good match with the Fury?


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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject:

get a box102X, gives you the gamma you need and has internal dips to do negative sync Wink

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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject:

Good box but you should be able to sync that projector with the Nvidia drivers. IF they will take the resolution.
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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject:

Thanks Gary,

Does your advise change when I say I don't need gamma control.. I have exellent gamma control on my hardware!


And Analog: Can be, but still didn't find it.. I'm loving the 1080i tho..

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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject:

Changing the sync on the Vaio only works if you connect it with vga.
The hdfury makes it's own sync and gets a digital dvi/hdmi signal from the Vaio.
That's why an external box after the hdfury can help to create a negative sync.
A more expensive way to make this work is using a scaler like the VP50 (pro).
But if 1080i is ok for you (no flickering?) you can forget about 1080p.

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HighDefDude



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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject:

Thanks Andre,

That is exactly what I thought, hardware related (hardware needed beween fury and projector to solve problem)..

At first I thought that I wouldn't need 1080p (or i), But as it turns out in my situation, 1080i gives a clearly sharper picture.
I run 1080i at 60Hz (2x30) and flicker is hardly noticable, at least not anoying. Indeed, when I switch to another progressive
resolution at 75Hz, the image certainly gives a more stable impression.
Another matter is the slowly up and down scrolling scanlines that become visible when the image slowly moves up and down.
At my seating distance this effect is hardly noticable, but I definitely want to try 1080P, so if I have to throw a few bugs at it, so be it..

Still the question remains: Is the RTC2200 a good companion for my Fury or is there a better (not very expensive..) solution?


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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject:

speedyandre wrote:
Changing the sync on the Vaio only works if you connect it with vga.
The hdfury makes it's own sync and gets a digital dvi/hdmi signal from the Vaio.
That's why an external box after the hdfury can help to create a negative sync.
A more expensive way to make this work is using a scaler like the VP50 (pro).
But if 1080i is ok for you (no flickering?) you can forget about 1080p.

André


The HDFury get's the sync's from the digital source and passes them through. If your digital source is + + then the HDFury will put out + +.

You can change the sync's in the digital signal to - - and the HDFury will pass that through to the analog side.

Strange that 1080i works though. By default it's + +. Of course we are talking lap tops here. For instance my G/F's Compaq puts out + + at 1024x768! Where every other piece of graphics hard ware I have ever seen does - - at that resolution.

So your Vaio may already BE putting out - - even at 1080i.

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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject:

Ok, I didn't know about the sync passing through dvi .....

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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:29 pm    Post subject:

Unless we're talking Barco's I never actually think about it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject:

OK, thats shining yet another different light at the subject.. And yep, we're talking Barco's here!


I did some reading, and think that I'll go for a Moome EXT-FullHD converter..

I think my BG1209 has the potential to benifit from the better picture quality and features the Moome provides.


If anyone disagrees with this, please tell me the reason..


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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject:

Not disagreeing just wondering did Moome get all the stuff ironed out in that box? Moomes stuff is good quality.
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