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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: I need help with capturing PS3 gameplay output |
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Hi, all. im new here. Well i want to get a HD capture card and be able to capture using HDMI with my PS3. I'm thinking of getting one of these http://uk.gizmodo.com/black_magic_intensity.jpg , the black magic intensity. The problem is that you can't capture any footage with it because of the HDCP thing. Can i use any of the HDfury products to avoid this?
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macgyver655
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I'm assuming you only want to capture parts of a game that your playing as thats the only reason I could see that you want to try and capture this way. The Fury would probably be the only way to do that but not with the Black Magic card because the Fury doenst have HDMI output. But just get a capture card with component or VGA in and use with the Fury and you should be able to capture your gaming............ 
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A capture card with a VGA input? Have you actually seen on of those, MacGyver? I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist. Not to mention the OP said he was trying to capture the PS3's output - which is component or HDMI for HD. Sooooooo....
You have two options, OP. If you want to go all-digital, you can use the Black Magic card, but you'll need an HDCP stripper, like this:
http://www.curtpalme.com/MUX-HD.shtm
That box takes an HDCP-protected HDMI input, and outputs an unencrypted digital stream that you could capture with the Black Magic card. The only problem is I don't think you'll be able to get any audio that way, as the MUX-HD doesn't seem to pass the audio over HDMI, which seems to be the only way to capture it with the Intensity card. You could get the Intensity Pro and capture via analog, but that sort of defeats the purpose of using the Intensity card to begin with. Besides, spending about $600 to capture game play seems a little silly to me... But, it ain't my money.
The analog and much cheaper solution (~$200) would be a Hauppage HD PVR. It'll capture 720p or 1080i to H.264 AVC w/AC-3 surround (Dolby Digital). You'd have to use component and SPDIF, but it would be a workable and affordable solution, and you could use it to capture HD from satellite or cable, too.
http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definition-Personal-Recorder/dp/B0018LX0DY
If you do a search, you should find some old threads on this very subject.
Speaking of old threads, the mods should change the thread title to something more relevant to the topic, too.
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| ecrabb wrote: |
Speaking of old threads, the mods should change the thread title to something more relevant to the topic, too.
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Direct me to the threads SC. I'll update the thread titles.
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What exact kind of content is trying to be captured? I understand its a PS3, but if you already have the BD-ROM that seems moot. Is the idea to capture streamed content, or content from gaming?
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Direct me to the threads SC. I'll update the thread titles. |
I meant THIS thread, Jeremy... ALA "I need help with capturing PS3 HDMI output..." as opposed to needing help with "something". 
| WanMan wrote: | | What exact kind of content is trying to be captured? I understand its a PS3, but if you already have the BD-ROM that seems moot. Is the idea to capture streamed content, or content from gaming? |
He wants to capture game play. Several gamers have been here over the last year or so looking for ways to capture the live video off the box while they're playing. Not sure what the reasoning is - perhaps the OP can enlighten us. 
| macgyver655 wrote: | I'm shocked you'd make that comment without googeling first.............................
Also I was addressing the OP. PS3 HDMI to Fury2 HDMI......Fury2 VGA to VGA or component capture card. |
I knew exactly what you were suggesting, but I didn't bother googling that type of product because I knew it didn't exist at all in the consumer space. I knew that if it did exist, it would be targeted at commercial/industrial markets and would have prices to match - and therefore probably not be reasonable for a home user capturing game play.
First, the Pixelsmart isn't card you linked to isn't even a real-time capture card - it's a frame grabber. Why would you even post that? Just because it captures from a VGA connector at max. 1280x1024? That product is totally worthless for the OP's application.
The EMS products you listed are intended for the medical imaging, engineering, process control, etc. markets. From what I can tell, they're $1000-2000+ products that save uncompressed video to the hard drive, meaning probably 50-100MB/s. Further, they don't say anything about compatibility with CE HD resolutions like 720p or 1080p... So, they may or may not even work.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the OP doesn't want to spend $2000 and burn disk space at 100MB/s to capture game play.
:rolleyes:
I still think the Hauppage HD PVR and component might be most reasonable solution for capturing gameplay, but it is limited to 720p and 1080i - not 1080p.
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HI SC, I'll update the thread title shortly. The Happauge looks good. Most of the PS3 games I hear about ar 720P it seems. So I'd say the Hauppage HDPVR via component would be best. OR plug an HDFury2 into it and remember not to run 1080P. First way is cheaper.
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| ecrabb wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Direct me to the threads SC. I'll update the thread titles. |
I meant THIS thread, Jeremy... ALA "I need help with capturing PS3 HDMI output..." as opposed to needing help with "something".
| WanMan wrote: | | What exact kind of content is trying to be captured? I understand its a PS3, but if you already have the BD-ROM that seems moot. Is the idea to capture streamed content, or content from gaming? |
He wants to capture game play. Several gamers have been here over the last year or so looking for ways to capture the live video off the box while they're playing. Not sure what the reasoning is - perhaps the OP can enlighten us.
| macgyver655 wrote: | I'm shocked you'd make that comment without googeling first.............................
Also I was addressing the OP. PS3 HDMI to Fury2 HDMI......Fury2 VGA to VGA or component capture card. |
I knew exactly what you were suggesting, but I didn't bother googling that type of product because I knew it didn't exist at all in the consumer space. I knew that if it did exist, it would be targeted at commercial/industrial markets and would have prices to match - and therefore probably not be reasonable for a home user capturing game play.
First, the Pixelsmart isn't card you linked to isn't even a real-time capture card - it's a frame grabber. Why would you even post that? Just because it captures from a VGA connector at max. 1280x1024? That product is totally worthless for the OP's application.
The EMS products you listed are intended for the medical imaging, engineering, process control, etc. markets. From what I can tell, they're $1000-2000+ products that save uncompressed video to the hard drive, meaning probably 50-100MB/s. Further, they don't say anything about compatibility with CE HD resolutions like 720p or 1080p... So, they may or may not even work.
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the OP doesn't want to spend $2000 and burn disk space at 100MB/s to capture game play.
:rolleyes:
I still think the Hauppage HD PVR and component might be most reasonable solution for capturing gameplay, but it is limited to 720p and 1080i - not 1080p.
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Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla.........................................
I was just giving viable solutions for what he wanted to try and do. I also suggested component capture in that same post. There may also be other VGA capture devices but I wasn't interested in searching, however your claim was they didnt exsist when yet they do. The OP hasn't even indicated what he wants to try to do.
I guess I failed to realize that Mr. Know it All would pick apart every part of a post to find something wrong with it and post his suggestion as the only way to go. I believe I could pick apart your post also but I'm neither interested or wanting to spend the time to do so.
If you believe my suggestions will not work at all..............then you have a viable comment......................
Other wise, just post your suggestions, without commenting on others, and let him decide which way he wants to go..........
And have a nice day.......
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | HI SC, I'll update the thread title shortly. The Happauge looks good. Most of the PS3 games I hear about ar 720P it seems. So I'd say the Hauppage HDPVR via component would be best. OR plug an HDFury2 into it and remember not to run 1080P. First way is cheaper. |
Will the PS3 output over component be anything more then 480p or 1080i with copy protected disc's?
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | HI SC, I'll update the thread title shortly. The Happauge looks good. Most of the PS3 games I hear about ar 720P it seems. So I'd say the Hauppage HDPVR via component would be best. OR plug an HDFury2 into it and remember not to run 1080P. First way is cheaper. |
Will the PS3 output over component be anything more then 480p or 1080i with copy protected disc's? |
As I understand it, whatever the disk is encoded at it plays at. Most games are at 720P a few are 1080i/p
Any 1080P game would be downconverted to 1080i over component
Bluray will play up to 1080i over component NO 1080P
DVD's are limited to 480P over compoenent.
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | Will the PS3 output over component be anything more then 480p or 1080i with copy protected disc's? |
Yes. You can run 480p, 720p, and 1080i with all protected content currently, save for standard DVD's which are limited to 480p. BD's and games are fine up to 1080i. 1080p would be the only thing you wouldn't be able to do over component.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla......................................... |
AKA a forum, right? Discussion. Hot air. Rants. Debate. Disagreement. Resolution. Isn't that we do, here?
| macgyver655 wrote: | | I was just giving viable solutions for what he wanted to try and do. I also suggested component capture in that same post. There may also be other VGA capture devices but I wasn't interested in searching, however your claim was they didnt exsist when yet they do. The OP hasn't even indicated what he wants to try to do. |
Sorry, but I don't consider an expensive commercial/industrial product a viable solution for a guy at home recording game play. Maybe you do. Yes, you suggested component... via HD Fury, which is unnecessary given that you could accomplish the same thing with a component cable for about 1/10 the price.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | I guess I failed to realize that Mr. Know it All would pick apart every part of a post to find something wrong with it and post his suggestion as the only way to go. I believe I could pick apart your post also but I'm neither interested or wanting to spend the time to do so. |
So, now I'm Mr. Know it All because I simply mentioned that a solution is or isn't viable? I don't think I "picked apart your post" any more than any of us do when we discuss things. I'm sorry that because somebody says your idea probably won't work, that you take it personally and respond with childish name-calling instead of saying, "Oh, yeah - you're right - that probably wouldn't work - like I would do.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | If you believe my suggestions will not work at all..............then you have a viable comment...................... |
Looking at the specs for 2 minutes, I DON'T think they'd work. That was my point. Even if they might work, I don't think they're viable even to try, considering the cost and specialized nature of the products. Good luck selling them if they didn't work. Unless the OP has money to burn. Hell, maybe he can buy a Blendzilla and try capturing the output from that.
Sorry, man. Lighten up. No offense was intended.
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Or just point your camcorder at the TV screen 
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Talk about an analog hole!!!
I remember being a little kid and recording stuff off the radio with my little cassette tape player with built-in condenser mic. It wasn't long after that that I learned about the magic of interconnects.
Whoah... That brings back another memory... It think it was that same little cassette player with the condenser mic that I used to load and save programs on my old man's Apple II. Man, those were the days. When CPU's were ONE megahertz and memory was measured in single-digit kiloBytes.
<<<<< Crickets chirping >>>>>
Hey, anybody seen a guy around here asking about making recordings off the PS3??!!
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| ecrabb wrote: | | macgyver655 wrote: | | Will the PS3 output over component be anything more then 480p or 1080i with copy protected disc's? |
Yes. You can run 480p, 720p, and 1080i with all protected content currently, save for standard DVD's which are limited to 480p. BD's and games are fine up to 1080i. 1080p would be the only thing you wouldn't be able to do over component.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla......................................... |
AKA a forum, right? Discussion. Hot air. Rants. Debate. Disagreement. Resolution. Isn't that we do, here?
| macgyver655 wrote: | | I was just giving viable solutions for what he wanted to try and do. I also suggested component capture in that same post. There may also be other VGA capture devices but I wasn't interested in searching, however your claim was they didnt exsist when yet they do. The OP hasn't even indicated what he wants to try to do. |
Sorry, but I don't consider an expensive commercial/industrial product a viable solution for a guy at home recording game play. Maybe you do. Yes, you suggested component... via HD Fury, which is unnecessary given that you could accomplish the same thing with a component cable for about 1/10 the price.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | I guess I failed to realize that Mr. Know it All would pick apart every part of a post to find something wrong with it and post his suggestion as the only way to go. I believe I could pick apart your post also but I'm neither interested or wanting to spend the time to do so. |
So, now I'm Mr. Know it All because I simply mentioned that a solution is or isn't viable? I don't think I "picked apart your post" any more than any of us do when we discuss things. I'm sorry that because somebody says your idea probably won't work, that you take it personally and respond with childish name-calling instead of saying, "Oh, yeah - you're right - that probably wouldn't work - like I would do.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | If you believe my suggestions will not work at all..............then you have a viable comment...................... |
Looking at the specs for 2 minutes, I DON'T think they'd work. That was my point. Even if they might work, I don't think they're viable even to try, considering the cost and specialized nature of the products. Good luck selling them if they didn't work. Unless the OP has money to burn. Hell, maybe he can buy a Blendzilla and try capturing the output from that.
Sorry, man. Lighten up. No offense was intended.
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Hey, I'm not offended at all but this is kinda funny. Again where are my suggestions not able to work, plus they are not limited is resolutions. Oh, here's a cheaper one for ya: http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb/?gclid=CO2nrtTWiZgCFRRhnAodsgLkDQ
But I'm not looking anymore just to prove a point.
Your suggestions were good but the Hauppage is limited in resolution, of course it wouldn't matter if he doesn't want to record in 1080p which he hasn't said yet.
Your other suggestion was great, the MUX-HD HDMI/DVI Repeater, but its not available unless you can find someone who is selling a used one.
I gave valid solutions with full resolution so I dont see what your problem is..
Something is needed to strip the HDCP over HDMI and thats the Fury. The OP was asking about HDMI, not component. After that its just figuring out how to connect it to your PC. I guess I also could of said an RGBHV capture card....
Maybe someday there will be a Fury with HDMI output also.
Now if he also wants to capture digital audio with full 1080p, I have a solution for that also but I'll keep that for him to ask about..
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Again with another product that's utterly useless. From their FAQ:
| Quote: | 3. How many frames per second can VGA2USB capture?
It depends on the resolution of your screen, the screen refresh rate, your operating system and the speed of the computer that is acquiring the images. Typical results are between 28 and 2 frames per second.
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So, how exactly is that going to work?
| macgyver655 wrote: | | But I'm not looking anymore just to prove a point. |
You don't have to... Because I can tell you... There's nothing out there (at least not that's affordable by any reasonable measure) for an individual to capture gaming action. Nothing that's going to capture any HD resolution, much less 1080p at 60hz... at any price that wouldn't make most of us move on to something else.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Your other suggestion was great, the MUX-HD HDMI/DVI Repeater, but its not available unless you can find someone who is selling a used one. |
Has it been discontinued? Did moome bail on it? It looks like another batch is shipping next month.
It also doesn't seem to work if he wants to capture the digital audio. For that, you'd need a separate piece of software to capture the stream from a SPDIF input, and then you'd have to mux the two together. High pain-in-ass factor, there.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | I gave valid solutions with full resolution so I dont see what your problem is.. |
No, you didn't give valid solutions, and I thought I already explained why. Are you having trouble reading? First, you gave a partial solution, leaving out a very important detail - the fact that a VGA capture device that's affordable may or may not exist. Then, when I said, "Umm.. that could be a problem" and pointed out that one was a frame grabber and the other may or may not capture HD resolutions... I got called a "Mr. Know-it-all". I still don't know from looking at the specs whether the EMS card can even synch or capture HD resolutions. Do you?
Then, as some sort of "I told you so," you propose a USB solution that MIGHT be able to capture 1080p at FOUR FRAMES PER SECOND? Since you clearly just Googled something and didn't even take 10 seconds to look and see if it would do what you thought it would, now it's obvious that you're simply trying to prove me wrong just for the sake of proving me wrong.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Something is needed to strip the HDCP over HDMI and thats the Fury. The OP was asking about HDMI, not component. After that its just figuring out how to connect it to your PC. I guess I also could of said an RGBHV capture card.... |
No, it isn't necessarily THE Fury. There are other devices that do that, such as the MUX-HD. The OP SPECIFICALLY mentioned the BlackMagic Intensity card, which has NO ANALOG INPUTS. From that, I assumed he wanted to stay digital - something the Fury specifically DOES NOT do.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Maybe someday there will be a Fury with HDMI output also. |
But, that's basically what the MUX-HD is... I didn't know about the audio limitation until I read through the MUX-HD thread, though... so that sucks. It's probably a non-starter, as I'd imagine most people would want to capture the audio with the video.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Now if he also wants to capture digital audio with full 1080p, I have a solution for that also but I'll keep that for him to ask about.. |
Fire away! I'd like to hear it. One of the old HDCP strippers? Spatz or whatever? What hardware? Capturing 1080p ain't easy. I'd honestly like to hear your idea, because nothing's coming to mind... Nothing that isn't thousands of dollars, anyway.
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See....your proving my point. You mearly are looking to find fault. I originally said to capture with vga or component because thats what the Fury outputs and not being specific on either. You then say you believed there was no such thing as a VGA capture card. I provide a couple and you wine about cost and such. The fact is that there are......You cannot deny the EMS one will capture VGA....as a matter of fact you cant deny any I provided cant, just maybe not with the best quality,you just look for faults. And I dont mean as it applies to the OP, just as a vga capture device. Here's the pro version of the last but I'm sure you will comment on that one also.
http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb-pro/specifications/
As far as the Moome device,The point was, its not currently available and there is probably a waiting list and if your not on it then the next batch is probably sold.....But if not then its a good solution.
So to answer the OP's questions, He states he wants to capture HDMI........will the black magic card work? With your unavailable suggestion....yes. Otherwise not unless there is another HDCP stripper with HDMI out. He then asked about the FURY.......... Yes it will work but not with the Black Magic......Must use a capture card that the Fury can connect to.
And last on my comment for digital audio and 1080p capture device........forget it.......just something more for you to find negativity about. If anyone else is interested........PM me, and I'll be glad to SUGGEST what I have.
Also, in your one post you say "AKA a forum, right? Discussion. Hot air. Rants. Debate. Disagreement. Resolution. Isn't that we do, here?"......... Thats not what I'm here for. I have no interest in anything more then helping others. From now on though I will avoid post's that you are involved in.......
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| macgyver655 wrote: | | See....your proving my point. You mearly are looking to find fault. I originally said to capture with vga or component because thats what the Fury outputs and not being specific on either. |
No, I'm not. I'm simply trying to help - pointing out what might or might not work, or what makes sense or what doesn't. For instance, it doesn't make sense to use HD Fury and output component and capture that output when you could simply use a component cable from the PS3. That's not being contradictory - that's just stating a fact. Sorry you don't like the fact or my writing style.
| macgyver655 wrote: | | Also, in your one post you say "AKA a forum, right? Discussion. Hot air. Rants. Debate. Disagreement. Resolution. Isn't that we do, here?"......... Thats not what I'm here for. I have no interest in anything more then helping others. From now on though I will avoid post's that you are involved in....... |
Are you really that childish? You're not going to post in threads I post in now just because I dared question a couple of your proposed solutions? Seriously? I have to question how altruistic your desire to help others really is if you're going to drop out just because I'm participating in a particular thread. Honestly, that really seems childish and petty.
I've been on this forum for almost three years now, and hundreds upon hundreds of my nearly 4,000 posts were nothing more than helping people. I don't think in that time I've ever had a single person criticize or name-call me as you have. I'm generally a pretty friendly person, and I'm trying to understand why you could possibly be so upset at anything I've written in this thread. I don't get it.
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| ecrabb wrote: | | I don't think in that time I've ever had a single person criticize or name-call me as you have |
I criticized you last week for being mad at the cop instead of yourself for getting a "didn't click it" ticket. 
But back to the original topic, the Hauppauge HD PVR with component input would work perfectly for capturing PS3 gameplay via 1080i or 720P component.
I've had one for about a month and really like it. It made a wicked 1080i AVCHD demo disc from Blu-Ray clips.
Unfortunately, last night it refused to capture, so I'm frustrated at it right now. Pop up says "device already in use". I installed the software on my laptop and it works fine, so I know it's not a HW failure... same sources, same cables, same settings.
So it's gotta be a software/driver problem on my HTPC. No new installs lately, so maybe it was a Windows update that freaked it up. I did a uninstall/reinstall... no joy. I did a restore back to last week's auto restore point... no joy. Argh.
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| Clarence wrote: | | I criticized you last week for being mad at the cop instead of yourself for getting a "didn't click it" ticket. |
Damn you, Clarence! Still, you didn't call me names - you just told me to chill.
Actually, based on your thread, and some other reading I did, I decided to try an HD PVR. I've been playing around with it off and on for a week or so. I spent half a day right after I got it trying to make it work in Parallels because I nixed my Boot Camp installation (native Windows on Mac) for more disk space. I gave up on that because the version of Parallels I'm using has USB issues. I was going to install it on a PC, but then I found out that Elgato had a beta of its EyeTV software app for OS X so I could use the HD PVR on the Mac. I downloaded and installed the beta - BAM! Worked right away. The video is awesome, but I haven't been able to capture any audio from the SPDIF. Haven't had much time to to work with it. though. Maybe later this week. I'm sure its an EyeTV issue, and not a hardware issue. Still, it's very cool. Can't wait to get it working 100% and have my DirecTV capture capability back.
SC
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