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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| nuttall_chris wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | nuttall_chris wrote: | There is a program called Nlite that you can use to "shrink" XP. I think there is also a version for Vista. Nlite uses the install disk for XP to create a new install disk that only has the features you need. I used it on my EEE PC to make an XP install that only required 600meg installed with only the features I needed. It boots and runs much quicker.
It's better to do it this was as you don't need to rely on some downloaded virus filled version.
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Thanks Chris, How long did your install take? 600megs beats what? 2GB of bloatedness? |
I don't remember how long it took to install.
Here is an example of someone using Nlite to shrink down XP Pro. The EEEuser forum has many example so this being done.
http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:nlitexp
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Very informative read. Thanks for the link.
Is there a way to make XP run faster on a system with much less ram?
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nuttall_chris
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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My EEE PC came with only 512M RAM and it ran the striped down version of XP fine. I upgraded it to 2GB so I could put the swap file in RAM. The EEE PC only has 4GB of solid state hard drive so space is at a premium.
Chris.
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WanMan
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600MB vs 2GB?
I really do not see the point. Hard drives are cheap, as are static memory storage, too.
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nuttall_chris
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | 600MB vs 2GB?
I really do not see the point. Hard drives are cheap, as are static memory storage, too. |
Agreed, but the stripped down version also runs significantly faster than the full version and boot times are also reduced.
Chris.
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mp20748
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Check this out: http://www.cdsfu.com/index.php?productID=148
My brother turned me on to it. He said it was the "stripped down" version. I've already purchased a copy. It also came with a copy of SP2.
I'm running it on 3 computers. And it's not asking me to register. he told me I could run it on as many PC's as I wanted.
Yep, it's fast. I'm even able to run it on my service laptop without it slowing it down. Windows XP home edition ran so slow on my laptop that I had to remove it and install Windows 98
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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You actually BOUGHT something from that site, Mike? That's NOT a legit company. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you basically paid $55 for pirated software. Worse, you're now running that software on three different machines for which you have no license. Unless you're a large corporate or site license customer, you have no legitimate reason to have, nor does anybody have a legitimate reason to sell, a "volume license" - as the site indicates they're selling. If you're a retail customer, then the copy of you Windows you buy should have a COA. Period.
On their FAQ page, they're even stating that what they're selling are "OEM" versions. That's bull****. If they were truly selling OEM licenses, they'd have COA's.
Even if you don't understand all the software licensing, the proof that the "company" is fly-by-night is there if you look for it...
At the bottom of every page:
| Quote: | | 30 DAY MONEY BACK GAURENTEE FOR ANY REASON |
If you wanted pirated software Mike, I could have given it to you and you wouldn't have had to pay $55 to some rip-off artists.
I question whether the COPY they sold you is even any different or any sort of "lightweight" version. I'd bet money it's just a standard volume-license install, no different from any other.
So, did you go scrounge up hardware drivers for everything that didn't have drivers on the "OEM" install?
SC
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mp20748
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | You actually BOUGHT something from that site, Mike? That's NOT a legit company. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you basically paid $55 for pirated software. Worse, you're now running that software on three different machines for which you have no license. Unless you're a large corporate or site license customer, you have no legitimate reason to have, nor does anybody have a legitimate reason to sell, a "volume license" - as the site indicates they're selling. If you're a retail customer, then the copy of you Windows you buy should have a COA. Period.
On their FAQ page, they're even stating that what they're selling are "OEM" versions. That's bull****. If they were truly selling OEM licenses, they'd have COA's.
Even if you don't understand all the software licensing, the proof that the "company" is fly-by-night is there if you look for it... |
Yep, I purchased it and I'm quite pleased!
| Quote: | | If you wanted pirated software Mike, I could have given it to you and you wouldn't have had to pay $55 to some rip-off artists. |
Nope, mine is paid for..
| Quote: | | I question whether the COPY they sold you is even any different or any sort of "lightweight" version. I'd bet money it's just a standard volume-license install, no different from any other. |
Trust me, it's different. If it runs fast on my service laptop, it's different.
| Quote: | | So, did you go scrounge up hardware drivers for everything that didn't have drivers on the "OEM" install? |
I did have to load a few drivers, but it wasn't painful.
Anyway, It's all good!
Years back, someone gave me a hack version of XP. It worked for awhile, then Microsoft wanted me to verify it. And in doing so, they only wanted a registration fee. If that turns out to be the case with this--so be it, I'll pay the fee!
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WanMan
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Is there a way to make XP run faster on a system with much less ram? |
I would have thought $50 for 4GB would be cheap enough that even you could afford it.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | If you wanted pirated software Mike, I could have given it to you and you wouldn't have had to pay $55 to some rip-off artists. |
Nope, mine is paid for.. |
What, so because you paid for it, it's OK? If somebody steals a car, then you buy it, is it not stolen anymore?
Don't get me wrong; I have some software that isn't properly licensed that I use occasionally, too (personal software on office machine, office software on personal machine)... But, not the OS I use every day... to make money. Personally, I wouldn't pay for pirated software. If I did, I wouldn't be under any illusion about what I had. You sound like you still think you have legit software. You don't, Mike.
| mp20748 wrote: | | ecrabb wrote: | | I question whether the COPY they sold you is even any different or any sort of "lightweight" version. I'd bet money it's just a standard volume-license install, no different from any other. |
Trust me, it's different. If it runs fast on my service laptop, it's different. |
Different from what? Different from the XP Home install you used? The one that comes with the computer that has a bunch of crapware included in the restore disc? Different from a retail XP Home install?
| mp20748 wrote: | | Anyway, It's all good! |
If "all good" means you paid for and are running unlicensed software and are call with that, then... whatever.
| mp20748 wrote: | | Years back, someone gave me a hack version of XP. It worked for awhile, then Microsoft wanted me to verify it. And in doing so, they only wanted a registration fee. If that turns out to be the case with this--so be it, I'll pay the fee! |
That was a hacked version. The one you have now is a corporate/government/education (large institution) install with a "slipstreamed" key. Meaning that it's already entered - which is why you didn't have to enter it. It is possible that at some point, Microsoft won't let you update it anymore. But, you already knew that. Besides, you'll probably have moved onto a pirated version of Vista or Windows 7 by then. 
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garyfritz
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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SC's right, Mike. That's pirated software. Look at their disclaimer: "By pressing this button you agree that you are purchasing the software that does NOT include any COA label or a sticker from the manufacturer & comes on a CD..." In other words "my buddy Joe lifted a VLK copy of XP at his company, and we burned a bunch of CDRs of it."
It could be running on your laptop because it's a fresh install. We all know how Windows gets its arteries clogged after running for a while, and a fresh install will run much faster. The only thing that makes me wonder if this is not just a standard XP install is the minimum requirements: 233MHz processor, 64MB of RAM!? I can't find the "official" requirements for XP but I'm pretty sure they were higher than that. Of course, these guys are selling hot software. They can make any claims they want.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| WanMan wrote: | | AnalogRocks wrote: | | Is there a way to make XP run faster on a system with much less ram? |
I would have thought $50 for 4GB would be cheap enough that even you could afford it. |
Oh I can build a 4GB system. BUT
What about running XP on older hardware? I have a 1.6 512megs ram here
and a little lap top with 300Mhz and 64 megs of ram. It would be interesting to try it on that for fun.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see...I log onto a bootleg website that has XP pro listed for $55.00 when the package originally list for $300.00 and I need to understand that the XP Pro on this site is not a "licensed" version.
From the OP's original post:
"Someone was talking about a mini version of XP all stripped out of all the fluff. Anyone know what this is called? I think someone said they had a version on their wifes laptop and all it lacked was dialup support."
Now where else would you find a modified version of XP?
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nuttall_chris
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| mp20748 wrote: |
Now where else would you find a modified version of XP? |
You can make your own legit stripped down version from a legit XP install CD with the software I listed above.
Chris.
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MP,
Gary and Crabb are correct, but I think you already knew that. Like Gary said a new install will be pretty darn quick, especially if you don't install to much crap. I installed XP on my old P3 about a year and a half ago and it was pretty darn fast. I had forgotten how fast a fresh install could be. Anyway as Chris mentioned, there does look to be a way to minimize the install.
Also, I see that you don't mind using pirate software. Not judging, because I use a bootleg of XP as well. I only use it on my desktop and only when I have to use Windows for something (not often, maybe once a month). I am just curious why you would pay for a copy. I am sure there are a bunch of people here who have copies that they would have given you for free. I have a couple, but unfortunately they aren't bootable as I don't have the little MS boot thing.
According to MS:
Here's What You Need to Use Windows XP Professional
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PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
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128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
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1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
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Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor
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CD-ROM or DVD drive
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Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Spanky, what is that * pointing to? If we spin a 200-210meg install of XP then I take it you don't need the 1.5 gigs? Was that to decompress files or something?
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | MP,
Gary and Crabb are correct, but I think you already knew that. Like Gary said a new install will be pretty darn quick, especially if you don't install to much crap. I installed XP on my old P3 about a year and a half ago and it was pretty darn fast. I had forgotten how fast a fresh install could be. Anyway as Chris mentioned, there does look to be a way to minimize the install.
Also, I see that you don't mind using pirate software. Not judging, because I use a bootleg of XP as well. I only use it on my desktop and only when I have to use Windows for something (not often, maybe once a month). I am just curious why you would pay for a copy. I am sure there are a bunch of people here who have copies that they would have given you for free. I have a couple, but unfortunately they aren't bootable as I don't have the little MS boot thing.
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The reason that I ended up with this software, has more to do with me being able to use my service laptop.
It is a Pentium 3, with something like 128m of RAM. I have a particular piece of software that's used to access some of my systems (CRESTRON CONTOL SYSTEM).
The newer version of the control software changed things with Windows 98, and it started asking for a file FLC80.DLL (or something like that). I tried everything to get 98 to work with the later version software to no avail. I even have two more laptops, with the later model one not having a DB9 (RS232) port. And it won't work with the USB to RS232 converters, so I have to stay with the two pentium 3's with the DB9 ports.
I looked around for something that would run on them, because XP was very slow, so slow that it did not work well with the control software. I also have to do AMX systems.
The bootleg XP was not a clean install, it was an upgrade from 98. All the same software programs that i use were still on the laptop. The faster speed MAY be from the bootleg software being a very early version of Windows XP.
Anyway, I needed to get my laptops going, and I needed to make that happen quick. So that software was just what I needed at the time. And I'm sure MS will eventually find out about it as they have before. And when that happens, I'll do the right thing.
thanks!
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Elaine Benes
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I can't imagine why anyone would want to be put in the situation where they have to touch their screen all the time ie. Windows 7... I like the fact that I can use my computer with one hand and virtually NO movement whatsoever, flailing around at a screen is a HUGE step backwards if you ask me....
And what will you do when you're surfing using the projector ??? STAND THERE flailing your arms around ??? Yechk...
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Elaine Benes wrote: | I can't imagine why anyone would want to be put in the situation where they have to touch their screen all the time. I like the fact that I can use my computer with one hand and virtually NO movement whatsoever, flailing around at a screen is a HUGE step backwards if you ask me....
And what will you do when you're surfing using the projector ??? STAND THERE flailing your arms around ??? Yechk... |
What's wrong with a touch screen? I'm sure we all use our computer's one handed from time to time. Then you need to take a step backwards when you are done. I like tough screen PC's.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Elaine Benes wrote: | I can't imagine why anyone would want to be put in the situation where they have to touch their screen all the time. I like the fact that I can use my computer with one hand and virtually NO movement whatsoever, flailing around at a screen is a HUGE step backwards if you ask me....
And what will you do when you're surfing using the projector ??? STAND THERE flailing your arms around ??? Yechk... |
What's wrong with a touch screen? I'm sure we all use our computer's one handed from time to time. Then you need to take a step backwards when you are done. ;) I like tough screen PC's. |
My monitor isn't even close enough to me TO touch....
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Ahhh I have half a dozen or so laptops here with touch screens. That's why I like it.
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