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Curt Palme
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject:

Funny, the guy that wrote Spanky's link above more or less agrees exactly with me as to the number of people that attended the show. Well written, the above. Kal now has my article and pictures, it should be up shortly on the main site.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject:

WanMan wrote:
Vivtek doesn't inspire cowsumers to spend a lot of money on projectors. Then again, I can say the same thing about Projection Design, Marantz and Sim.


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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject:

Curt, you said you stopped by the micro LED projector area. Did you see Microvision's scanning laser pico projector? Not very bright but should have infinite native on/off.


http://www.microvision.com/showwx/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0PLM3hh2c

http://microvision.sdh.cx/2008/04/microvision-pico-projector-big-screen.html
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject:

I did see that one, but at 10 lumens, it wasn't very practical, and you couldn't see squat at the show with all the ambient light around.

Note that in the Youtube video clip, the image was significantly smaller than the screen, which in itself couldn't have been more than 2' across.

While it (LED) most likely will come to market, the woman that I was talking to at Epson said that laser projection was dead in the water, and that was all the talk about 2 years ago on avs.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject:

Interesting, thanks. The Microvision laser projector might have enough brightness blended...we shall see.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject:

Leo wrote:
Interesting, thanks. The Microvision laser projector might have enough brightness blended...we shall see.


$1000 for two projectors, $13K for the blending unit? Very Happy
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
Leo wrote:
Interesting, thanks. The Microvision laser projector might have enough brightness blended...we shall see.


$1000 for two projectors, $13K for the blending unit? Very Happy


Well, Tv one sells 1 channel blending processors for $1000 and you need one for each projector. So it really depends on how bright this thing is in a light controlled room. Obviously this could get very expensive if you have a lot of blend zones.

The other option will be to stack. More affordable, but how will sharpness and convergence hold up with 5 or more projectors? So we'll see. Wink
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject:

That little pj has a res of 848x480. What are you going to blend to? You can't even blend four of these to do high def. This looks like something good for the road warrior.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:05 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
That little pj has a res of 848x480. What are you going to blend to? You can't even blend four of these to do high def. This looks like something good for the road warrior.


848 x 480 x 4 projectors = 1696 x 960 or if we place it on it's side 3 projectors = 1440 x 848

720p isn't HD??
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject:

Leo wrote:
Spanky Ham wrote:
That little pj has a res of 848x480. What are you going to blend to? You can't even blend four of these to do high def. This looks like something good for the road warrior.


848 x 480 x 4 projectors = 1696 x 960 or if we place it on it's side 3 projectors = 1440 x 848

720p isn't HD??


Yes, 720p is HD. Of course, it is going to cost you some money to achieve that. Plus, most of the digital world has moved to 1080p. This thing would have to be incredible to justify the cost and headache.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:


Yes, 720p is HD. Of course, it is going to cost you some money to achieve that. Plus, most of the digital world has moved to 1080p. This thing would have to be incredible to justify the cost and headache.


Quite true. Although for my 80" screen 720p is sufficient. Like I said, I am going to stack first and see how that turns out. I can live with 480p on a 80" screen. You have to keep in mind in terms of picture quality this is basically a tiny CRT. Native on/off contrast that is only limited by lumen output and DLP ansi contrast or higher. Anyway, sorry if I've gone way off topic.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject:

Curt recently attended the 2009 Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas Nevada which took place from January 8-11, 2009. Read what's hot and what's not in his unbiased review of the show.

"My review isn’t like all of the glossy hyped reviews you might see online, I call it like I see it." - Curt

Find it in our Special Reports section.

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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject:

Nicely done... but get rid of that stupid pix from 3 years ago. That damn thing still haunts me! Smile

(I have better pix that I can email you if you really want one up there...)
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject:

The picture of Curt is gone.... Wink

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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:54 pm    Post subject:

Thanks! that hurt my eyes!
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject:

You can still see the full picture on this page from the CES 2006 review. Wink



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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject:

That still hurts my eyes! O&A aren't exactly fashion models either. Wink
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject:

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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject:

Do I detect some misconvergence in your eyes there curt Mr. Green




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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Seems like with something like a laser projector, the geometry would be good enough that with some careful setup you might just be able to edge-to-edge align the images. You'd need to fabricate some good rigs to do really, REALLY precise adjustments of each one, with tiny little jack screws of some type possibly, and to hold them solidly relative to each other, but if their geometry is as good as should be possible, it might not be out of the realm of possibility to do.

Still, until I see a laser projector sans laser sparkle, I'm not sold. I saw an insanely high resolution laser PJ a few years ago at a military show, and while it was, well, insanely high resolution, the sparkle would drive me nuts in short order.

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