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stefuel
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A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
Does anyone else think Hancock looks like $hit???
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Elaine Benes
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Yes. Waaaaaaayyyyyy too dark. Its the film.
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Heywood Jablome
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Eat more carrots!
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Tom.W
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| Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Eat more carrots! |
Alcohol is also useful 
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Heywood Jablome
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| Tom.W wrote: | | Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Eat more carrots! |
Alcohol is also useful |
True, but it makes convergence a bitch!
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| Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Tom.W wrote: | | Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Eat more carrots! |
Alcohol is also useful |
True, but it makes convergence a bitch! |
Hey once you get your convergence done while drinking a cesar stired with a carrot you can call convergence your bitch.
I think I need a V8.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: OK WTF is going on with HD color |
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| stefuel wrote: | A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
Does anyone else think Hancock looks like $hit??? |
Thats why friends dont let friends AMPRO
its the crack of the CRT world.
and crack is wack
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Heywood Jablome
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: Re: OK WTF is going on with HD color |
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| Z-Photo wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
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Thats why friends dont let friends AMPRO
its the crack of the CRT world.
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Invert any of your models... that crack's not wack.
Saw the effect with my own eyes... Trailers were beautiful, feature had an odd color pallet that (I swear I'm not making this up) made Will Smith and other black actors have red push, and all the white actors have a green push. I noticed this right from the first scene with the little kid waking up Hancock on the park bench.
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Mark_A_W
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: Re: OK WTF is going on with HD color |
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| stefuel wrote: | A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
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What colourspace is your system set to? BT.609 (SD) or BT.709 (HD).
They look very different.
But it will not show in a greyscale.
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stefuel
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: Re: OK WTF is going on with HD color |
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
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What colourspace is your system set to? BT.609 (SD) or BT.709 (HD).
They look very different.
But it will not show in a greyscale. |
I have no idea. Is that something that is selectable in a PS3's menu. I don't recall seeing it.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Re: OK WTF is going on with HD color |
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| Z-Photo wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | A few weeks ago I complained about the color on the latest Indiana Jones flick. Now I just bought Hancock and it looks to me as if the color is all wrong on it also. So tonight I popped in my DVE BD disk to check my grayscale it it looks fine. Also the provided test material on the disk looks stunning.
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Thats why friends dont let friends AMPRO
its the crack of the CRT world.
and crack is wack |
Don't pay any attention to Pete.
He's still in depression since his four legged barn-bitch said "Baaaaaa", translation "Nooooo".
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I am not surprised that you can "speak" sheep.
Must be a MA thing....
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I watched Hancock on BD with BT.709 color space and it did not look as crazy as you are descibing. The green push would be a result of BT.609 used for playing HD.
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Heywood Jablome
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| Person99 wrote: | | I watched Hancock on BD with BT.709 color space and it did not look as crazy as you are descibing. The green push would be a result of BT.609 used for playing HD. |
What is the standard for mastering BD, anyway? I'd assume 609.
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Person99
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| Heywood Jablome wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | I watched Hancock on BD with BT.709 color space and it did not look as crazy as you are descibing. The green push would be a result of BT.609 used for playing HD. |
What is the standard for mastering BD, anyway? I'd assume 609. |
Why? All HD resolutions are supposed to be Rec 709. 709 is a wider gamut, why would anyone want to not do it on BD?!?!?
If you want to see the color space differences, but in a universal DVD and a universal HD DVD/BD. The Universal logo is so much more blue and gold and vibrant on the HD thanks to color gamut.
My PJ currently is just in Rec 709 and the Lumagen upscales DVDs (fed to it at 480i) and changes the color space--this to me is the most sensible approach if you are going to still play the occasional legacy
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Heywood Jablome
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Mis-read your previous post... Read it too fast and mis-interpreted 609 as the HD standard.
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Mark_A_W
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It's actually BT.601 - I made a typo and everyone followed along 
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Person99
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | It's actually BT.601 - I made a typo and everyone followed along |
Yes it is and I was cutting and pasting and didn't notice. 
We usually call it "Rec" here in the state which I used instead of BT which I used when not copy pasting.
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| Z-Photo wrote: | I am not surprised that you can "speak" sheep.
Must be a MA thing.... |
I was looking for books on gardening tools and I stumbled onto this. I actually read that in a review of a book "Rednecks guide to Barnyard sex or What to do when your sister say's no"  
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Southern Boys like Pete are the reason my avatar is so well armed...
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