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AnalogRocks
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Oh yeah I know those were Don BBQ's shots. 
Now the presure's on to make your look a little better.
You'll have to do the standard Bruce Willis looking over his shoulder in the cab from 5th Element screen shot 
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Yeah, my screenshots have been very hit or miss so I might get my cousin to come over and shoot some for me. He is pretty good with his camera and has a digital SLR instead of the point and shoot digital I have.
I love this VP50 scaler so far. It's nice to be able to confirm exactly what each source is sending as well as what the scaler is sending to the projector. The internal test patterns are very helpful as well. I did my geometry and convergence tweaking using the internal crosshatch patterns. There is so many control options available that it makes an already very versatile projector, even more so.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | wallace123456 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | I'm updating to firmware 1.07 as I type this. Fingers crossed that it does something for my judder problem. |
Do you see judder often or are you using a particular piece of bd material?
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Don, it was on everything I tried. For the most part I was using "The Fifth Element" for testing because I know it about as well as any movie I own. The scenes in the beginning where the spaceship moves across the screen from right to left showed terrible juddering as well as the scene inside the ship where they pan from left to right across the consoles of the crew with their backs to you. It was really obvious here.
Now the good news...it's gone! The firmware must have fixed it because those same scenes are smooth as silk now. I'm sending 1080p/24 with 4:4:2 colorspace from the BD30 Blu Ray to the VP50 and then output is 1080i/60 with 4:4:2 colorspace and 60hz locked for my framerate. It looks awesome and I have been reworking my convergence for a few hours this evening. Looking good now! Thanks for inspiring me to update this firmware Don, that must have been the trick. Also, Gary thanks for all the pointers and for convincing me to go with the XG card and the VP50. This is a really nice combo and the image has really improved in so many ways.
Now I'm looking forward to learning more about this scaler and I will probably need to do my grayscale again. |
VideoGrabber inspired me (or might I say, I was embarrased..  )
| VideoGrabber wrote: | Wallace,
> VP50 is ver. 1.00 <
Any reason you haven't upgraded the firmware to the latest release version (v1.07)? I'm sure they must have added and fixed quite a bit of stuff in 7 revs. |
But, glad to see you are going now. I am going to have to take a look at my Fifth Element now; I'm curious. I think we used the bus scene of the DVE BD disk to check for judder when Ken was here.
For the most part regarding convergence, I use the test patterns from the vp50 for each setting (60 & 72hz). I then go back and double check with my BD-DVE and HD-DVE discs to make sure. Works pretty good.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | Yeah, my screenshots have been very hit or miss so I might get my cousin to come over and shoot some for me. He is pretty good with his camera and has a digital SLR instead of the point and shoot digital I have.
I love this VP50 scaler so far. It's nice to be able to confirm exactly what each source is sending as well as what the scaler is sending to the projector. The internal test patterns are very helpful as well. I did my geometry and convergence tweaking using the internal crosshatch patterns. There is so many control options available that it makes an already very versatile projector, even more so. |
A good amera helps. My screen shots are using my Kodak Easy Share ($99.00 Best Buy Christmas special 4 years ago).
I'd like to get a newer one, but, there are too many cameras to pick from. And I need one that is idiot (me) proof.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Wallace commented:
> VideoGrabber inspired me (or might I say, I was embarrased..) <
Glad to be of service.  It's just that when I looked at the list of significant changes DVDO made in even a single update cycle, from 1.06 to 1.07, I couldn't imagine there wouldn't be substantial improvements to be had upgrading from 1.04, much less 1.00. Looking back further, I don't think I saw a single update with only "minor", or "tweak" changes. They each either extended or fixed important functionality. So personally, while I understand the philosophy of leaving "good enough" alone, in the case of DVDO it seems like the upgrades were always a "must have".
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Rex, I remembered way back in beta testing of the VP50 that we had some 24p input problems, it occured to me that it was early to mid firmware related after thinking about it, sorry I didn't mention it sooner
I think from the sound of things you are pleased with the scaler moome setup?
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I think from the sound of things you are pleased with the scaler moome setup?
-Gary |
Oh yeah! Another go at my convergence touchup and a good run at greyscale and this thing will look tight. I'm very happy with the Moome card and scaler combo! 
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Glad to see you are liking the Scaler. Was this one of the refurbished units? So your running 1080i@72Hz?
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| MikeEby wrote: | Glad to see you are liking the Scaler. Was this one of the refurbished units? So your running 1080i@72Hz?
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Mike, this is the refurb VP50 which you sent me the link on from SecondAct.com. Typically things I have ordered in the past refurbished from other places came in boxes that were marked as such. Not this though. I would not have guessed that this was a refurb unit and I doubt anyone would know unless you told them. It's a really nice looking unit and there was absolutely no documentation stating that it was refurbished. It has the standard manufacturers warranty paperwork. I'm going to run it pretty hard for a while just to make sure I don't encounter any problems but I don't expect to. The firmware update process was pretty easy although it took about a half hour to upload the data.
I tried 72hz briefly but I think Gary talked me out of it. I'm sending 1080p/24 from the BD30 Blu Ray and outputting 1080i/60hz locked from the VP50. I may try another setup at 72hz just to see how it looks now that my judder problem is gone.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | Glad to see you are liking the Scaler. Was this one of the refurbished units? So your running 1080i@72Hz?
Mike |
Mike, this is the refurb VP50 which you sent me the link on from SecondAct.com. Typically things I have ordered in the past refurbished from other places came in boxes that were marked as such. Not this though. I would not have guessed that this was a refurb unit and I doubt anyone would know unless you told them. It's a really nice looking unit and there was absolutely no documentation stating that it was refurbished. It has the standard manufacturers warranty paperwork. I'm going to run it pretty hard for a while just to make sure I don't encounter any problems but I don't expect to. The firmware update process was pretty easy although it took about a half hour to upload the data.
I tried 72hz briefly but I think Gary talked me out of it. I'm sending 1080p/24 from the BD30 Blu Ray and outputting 1080i/60hz locked from the VP50. I may try another setup at 72hz just to see how it looks now that my judder problem is gone. |
When I first bought my vp50, there was some descrepancy from the seller and Anchor Bay as to whether they (the seller) was an authorized reseller. I called Anchor Bay and the guy (I think Alex) told me that even if the seller is not and authorized seller/reseller, Anchor Bay charges a flat fee of $300.00 to fix or repair a unit out of warranty.
The guy told me that for the price I was paying for the vp50, BUY IT!
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Don, did Ken give any particular reason why he setup a 72hz output setting for you? Is that something that 720p resolution benefits from more?
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| dropzone7 wrote: |
I tried 72hz briefly but I think Gary talked me out of it. I'm sending 1080p/24 from the BD30 Blu Ray and outputting 1080i/60hz locked from the VP50. I may try another setup at 72hz just to see how it looks now that my judder problem is gone. |
Yes, don't let Gary talk you out of it. He says he cannot see the horrid judder of 60 Hz--which puts him in a very small minority because if you are really a film freak there is no way you are not going to see it sometimes. To me 60 Hz is what you "accept" if you don't want to go 1080p/24 digi PJ, scaler, or HTPC. It should NEVER be the target resolution for film watching.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | Don, did Ken give any particular reason why he setup a 72hz output setting for you? Is that something that 720p resolution benefits from more? |
Film is shot at 24. It MUST be displayed at a multiple of 24 to retain its correct presentation.
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| Person99 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | Don, did Ken give any particular reason why he setup a 72hz output setting for you? Is that something that 720p resolution benefits from more? |
Film is shot at 24. It MUST be displayed at a multiple of 24 to retain its correct presentation. |
I will give it a go and see if I can tell a difference. So, I need to manually set this to 71.928 as you mentioned in the beginning of the thread. Is it okay to round up to 71.93 as there are not that many place holders in the option?
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Also, does anyone have a video clip example of judder so I can verify that I'm using the correct terminology here?
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| Person99 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | Don, did Ken give any particular reason why he setup a 72hz output setting for you? Is that something that 720p resolution benefits from more? |
Film is shot at 24. It MUST be displayed at a multiple of 24 to retain its correct presentation. |
Agreed.
Thats why I keep trying to get the xa2 to do. But, no-go. PS3, no problem.
Rex,
My 6pg xtra resolves 720p/72hz fine. At 72hz, the picture is better.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | Don, did Ken give any particular reason why he setup a 72hz output setting for you? Is that something that 720p resolution benefits from more? |
Film is shot at 24. It MUST be displayed at a multiple of 24 to retain its correct presentation. |
I will give it a go and see if I can tell a difference. So, I need to manually set this to 71.928 as you mentioned in the beginning of the thread. Is it okay to round up to 71.93 as there are not that many place holders in the option? |
I did not manually set the seolution in my vp50. It locks onto what it gets.
Now, before I upgraded to ver 1.07, I had to manually input a 720p setting as the older ver 1.00 did not have a setting for it. Ver 1.07 has a setting for it now.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | Also, does anyone have a video clip example of judder so I can verify that I'm using the correct terminology here? |
One of the classics is the pan down at the beginning of Shakespeare in Love. I also see it in the beginning of Star Wars as the Imperial Cruiser comes in from frame top. Pretty much any "medium" speed pan or smoothly moving object will show it.
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| Person99 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | Also, does anyone have a video clip example of judder so I can verify that I'm using the correct terminology here? |
One of the classics is the pan down at the beginning of Shakespeare in Love. I also see it in the beginning of Star Wars as the Imperial Cruiser comes in from frame top. Pretty much any "medium" speed pan or smoothly moving object will show it. |
Wow, I haven't seen Shakespeare In Love since it came out in the theater. Star Wars I have on SD of course. I will give that one a try and see what happens.
Don, I remember seeing the 72hz display on your screen when you started up I Robot and I recall Cliff making a comment about it. It certainly looked good on your machine.
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Don, are you using any gamma adjustments from within the VP50? I see that there is a range of adjustment for each color available in the picture adjustment menu. My gamma is being done by the Moome card right now and I have not tried to adjust it since I got this card from Gary and he had it dialed in already. I may need to change it a bit after I redo the greyscale though.
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