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moby



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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject: Need help please!

Hi everyone!
Im new to the forum and hope to get some help. Im the lucky owner of a marquee 9500 lc ultra, but Right now i have a couple of questions.
My screen is 134 cm high and the width is 234 cm.
How far away from the screen is the projector suppose to be placed. And how far away is possible without disturbing the picture. I couldnt understand the formular on the curtpalme throw distance manual. So please if someone could tell me.
Is there a possible ceiling mount for the projecter that can keep it as close to the ceiling as possible. The mount that I have right now is not working in my favor!
help will be greatly appreciated!

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject:

There is only one correct location to mount a CRT in with relationship to the screen. How close you can keep it to the ceiling depends upon how high your screen is mounted.

In the spirit of teaching a man to fish, what about the formula confuses you?

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject:

I live in europe and crts are not that common here.
I was hoping to put it about 5 meters back againt the backwall and maybe be able to zoom the picture into the screen. But im a newbie so all info is appreciated! The thing is on the formular when I write the measurement of the width the value of the height does not correspond with my measurement. And we use the metric system and i dont think it works in this formular.

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject:

NO! There's no zoom lens on CRTs! The throw distance is APPROXIMATELY 1.4 X the width of the screen. THat works in metric as well.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject:

okay can I settle with the approximately measurement or does it have specific measurement?
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help please!

moby wrote:
My screen width is 234 cm.
How far away from the screen is the projector suppose to be placed.

moby wrote:
I was hoping to put it about 5 meters back againt the backwall


Like Curt said, for a quick approximation, (2.34m screen width) * 1.4 = 3.28 meters throw distance

To refine the approximation to an exact value...
Do you have any existing wear on the tubes that you need to stay within?
How high is the screen from the ceiling?
Do you have your sources configured... image width can vary based on resolution and porch settings.
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
NO! There's no zoom lens on CRTs! The throw distance is APPROXIMATELY 1.4 X the width of the screen. THat works in metric as well.


To add to this approximation, if using a 16:9 screen (which you are), The bottom of the PJ (top when hanging upside down) will need to be about 11 cm above the top edge of the screen.

Your screen is 92" wide. Use that for the calculation, then convert the result to cm (inches X 2.54).

The best way to do it is to set up the image on the green tube correctly (width correct and centered) following Curt's Guide. Then, with the CRT on a low cart with wheels, move the CRT back and forth projecting on a wall until you get the image size you want. Measure the distance and the offset from the bottom of the screen. Transfer that to the ceiling and mount.

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help please!

Clarence wrote:
moby wrote:
My screen width is 234 cm.
How far away from the screen is the projector suppose to be placed.

moby wrote:
I was hoping to put it about 5 meters back againt the backwall


Like Curt said, for a quick approximation, (2.34m screen width) * 1.4 = 3.28 meters throw distance

To refine the approximation to an exact value...
Do you have any existing wear on the tubes that you need to stay within? How high is the screen from the ceiling?Do you have your sources configured... image width can vary based on resolution and porch settings.

No the tubes are flawless!
Ill measure the it out tomorrow after work.
Regarding the last bit I dont know! How do I find out about that?
Its 12 at night here and I gotta get up at 5 in the morning so iŽll get to you guys tommorrow. Thanks so far i Appreciate the help!

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject:

moby wrote:
I live in europe and crts are not that common here.
I was hoping to put it about 5 meters back againt the backwall and maybe be able to zoom the picture into the screen. But im a newbie so all info is appreciated! The thing is on the formular when I write the measurement of the width the value of the height does not correspond with my measurement. And we use the metric system and i dont think it works in this formular.

FYI I bet at least 1/3 of the people on this forum are not in the USA or Canada.

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject:

Nobody said it so I will....Welcome to the Funhouse moby! Thumbs Up You got your hands on a very nice projector. No starting with a 7" for you and working your way up eh? Laughing

It seems very daunting at first but if you got the projector from someone who knew what they were doing, and assuming it was optimally set up already, and assuming it didn't get delivered by DHL....most of the hard work should be done for you. In a nutshell, you want to mount the projector at a distance that uses as much of the tube face as possible WITHOUT running the image off the edges of the tubes. You'll also want to check to make sure there's a small air bubble at the top of the LC chamber (a special clear glycol coolant) with the projector in the floor mount configuration.

The Marquees are very easy to set up and maintain once you get past the initial confusion of setting it up. After you get some type of source connected (using one of many choices offered on the main site page in the Featured Items area: http://www.curtpalme.com/ you'll need to follow the steps in the manual here:
http://www.curtpalme.com/ElectrohomeMarquee_Downloads.shtm and go through a setup over and over. Each time you go through it you'll learn more about the machine and it's nuances, and the image quality gets better and better.

How do you plan to mount it to the ceiling? Many of us use Uni-Strut. Most commonly used as a highly configurable industrial support hanger. If you have the room you can go with a factory Marquee mount. There are differing opinions as to cost vs functionality between the two methods. Some people just don't have the headroom to use a factory mount.

Get a copy of Digital Video Essentials here: http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTforSale.shtm for good setup patterns in different aspect ratios and resolutions, and maybe a copy of Grahams CRT PJ setup DVD here: http://www.curtpalme.com/SetupDVD.shtm He doesn't show a Marquee being set up but most everything can be crossed over if you squint a little bit. (American humor might confuse you there). Rolling Eyes
Also check out Kal's most excellent Grayscale guide here: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=10457.html or click the link to the left of the DVE ad (from the link above).

I'm not anywhere near as well versed as some of the Marquee guys but it's nice to be able to contribute what I do know for once.
Nice machine. I'm jealous! Thumbs Up

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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject:

I would also like to add that if this is your first CRT, and it sounds like it is you should set it up on the floor first to become used to the controls and the process of setting it up. This will make it much easier to setup when it makes it way to the ceiling.

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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject:

Zebu Fellenz wrote:
I would also like to add
yeah I would like to add something too. If you can't even get past the factory throw formula you should seriously consider hiring a pro to install it. Otherwise you will spend the next month here asking questions.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:46 am    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
Zebu Fellenz wrote:
I would also like to add
yeah I would like to add something too. If you can't even get past the factory throw formula you should seriously consider hiring a pro to install it. Otherwise you will spend the next month here asking questions.


and?

Isn't that how many of us started? I know I did and look at me now! Laughing

In all seriousness, you can stumble your way through your Marque and learn along the way and, sometime in the future you will have it well set up and working or you can take dragnm's advice and hire someone to set it up and you'll have it up and running immediately.

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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
draganm wrote:
Zebu Fellenz wrote:
I would also like to add
yeah I would like to add something too. If you can't even get past the factory throw formula you should seriously consider hiring a pro to install it. Otherwise you will spend the next month here asking questions.


and?

Isn't that how many of us started? I know I did and look at me now! Laughing

In all seriousness, you can stumble your way through your Marque and learn along the way and, sometime in the future you will have it well set up and working or you can take dragnm's advice and hire someone to set it up and you'll have it up and running immediately.


Exactly,

We were all new to this at one point, just because you ask a few "stupid" questions doesn't mean you should hire a pro to do it for you. Although I won't dispute the benifit of having a pro do the final setup and color calibration on a high end machine it is still good for the end user to have an understanding of how it is setup so he doesn't have to call a pro in everytime a source changes or the convergance has to be adjusted.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject:

There's also differing levels of 'setup'. What looks O-Tay to one person may look like a bag of ******* to another. I'm 'just OK' with my setup now that I've been at it a while but I've racked up a good 1500 hrs on it since the last complete setup.

I just need to stay away from HT meets and I'll be happy with my efforts forever. Laughing Then again....look at all the good grub I'm missing out on by not attending. Laughing

In defense of draganm's comment, not that he needs me to defend anything he says, I would say I'm at the point where I would consider a pro ISF worthy of the $$. If I had it done as soon as I got the pj I probably (definately) would have dicked it up and wasted the pro's time and my money.

Half the fun of having one of these things is the putzing with it and the gratification that comes from finally 'getting it'.

Oh yeah....I'm still jealous. Mr. Green

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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject:

JustGreg wrote:
In defense of draganm's comment, not that he needs me to defend anything he says,
well it doesn't hurt:D , a lot of my comments sound kinda harsh but I like to make a quick point as opposed to sugar coating every comment. Let's face it though, the throw calc. is the easiest parts of the set-up, it's like 6th grade math. If your struggling with that how ya gonna get Scheimphlug, or Convergence, or toe-in?
Trust me i've worked with a number of people and about 10% of them NEVER get it, even after endless e-mails coaching them on set-up. IT doesn't mean they're stupid, just not technically inclined. So if your in that group, hire a pro. It'll be better for you, the projector, and your home theater in general. I mean if you go to adjuts scheimphlug on the Marquee and loosen the C-element bolt (which is the same size), you could hose the entire PJ.


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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
JustGreg wrote:
In defense of draganm's comment, not that he needs me to defend anything he says,
well it doesn't hurt:D , a lot of my comments sound kinda harsh but I like to make a quick point as opposed to sugar coating every comment. Let's face it though, the throw calc. is the easiest parts of the set-up, it's like 6th grade match. If your struggling with that how ya gonna get Scheimphlug, or Convergence, or toe-in?
Trust me i've worked with a number of people and about 10% of them NEVER get it, even after endless e-mails coaching them on set-up. IT doesn't mean they're stupid, just not technically inclined. So if your in that group, hire a pro. It'll be better for you, the projector, and your home theater in general. I mean if you go to adjuts scheimphlug on the Marquee and loosen the C-element bolt (which is the same size), you could hose the entire PJ.



Looks like you need to go back to 6th grade spelling!! Wink

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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Looks like you need to go back to 6th grade spelling!! Wink

Athanasios Laughing
hey spelling and CRT set*up are 25 different things. Plus my spelling is fine, it's my 2-finger typing that sucks badly. Thumbs Down
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
Zebu Fellenz wrote:
I would also like to add
yeah I would like to add something too. If you can't even get past the factory throw formula you should seriously consider hiring a pro to install it. Otherwise you will spend the next month here asking questions.


Well, I'm certainly accused of the smart-ass approach a lot, but I gotta agree with draganm's "tough love" approach here. If the factory throw formula is a problem, he is going to have a 9500LC that looks worse than a $1200 used 1080p LCD. Either get a pro or sell it and get a simple to set up digital.

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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:11 pm    Post subject:

Wow. I'm kinda surprised at some of the negativity here. If you dont want to help then thats fine but dont throw water on his fire. I'm sure there are many others on here more then willing to help him through the process.

As far as the throw distance, lets give him the correct process. If screen size is already chosen, then fire up the projector and turn off the blue and red tubes and concentrate on the green. Learn how to center and maximize the raster on the green. When that is accomplished then project the green image on the screen and move the projector forward or backwards until the image fills the screen. Now you have your throw distance and no math was involved and it was accomplished correctly.
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