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gonyr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| houndman wrote: | | lets see if I have things right. The Samsung 360 will run my pj without the add on boxes, just the BNC cable I have? I read one is going to be stopped. Is that true and any idea when, and I assume there is no rush to get one of the others. Do I have it right? |
The Samsung will get you regular cable, OTA HD, and anything like a dvd player or game system that you want to feed through it using composite, s-video, or component inputs. It will connect directly to your projector with the VGA out on the Samsung going to your BNC cable to the projector input. You'll be able to select 1080i, 720p, or 480p for resolution. It won't get you digital cable or HD channels from your cable company. I suppose you might be able to rig something up with a digital cable box feeding the component input on the Samsung, but I've never tried anything like that.
I can't comment on any of the other boxes since have no experience with any of them.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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| gonyr wrote: | | houndman wrote: | | lets see if I have things right. The Samsung 360 will run my pj without the add on boxes, just the BNC cable I have? I read one is going to be stopped. Is that true and any idea when, and I assume there is no rush to get one of the others. Do I have it right? |
The Samsung will get you regular cable, OTA HD, and anything like a dvd player or game system that you want to feed through it using composite, s-video, or component inputs. It will connect directly to your projector with the VGA out on the Samsung going to your BNC cable to the projector input. You'll be able to select 1080i, 720p, or 480p for resolution. It won't get you digital cable or HD channels from your cable company. I suppose you might be able to rig something up with a digital cable box feeding the component input on the Samsung, but I've never tried anything like that.
I can't comment on any of the other boxes since have no experience with any of them. |
Hey Gonyr, thanks for the info I had no idea the SS360 was so usefull to projector owner's
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| houndman wrote: | | getting confused with the 1020, 1040, and 1040 lite(?), and 2200. Besides the lite having a 1080i limit, are there any differences between them, do they all have the gamma boost? They talk about adjusting the gamma, but don't see a knob/control. I better write this stuff down, or I might have a brain blowout.)) |
Damn that sucks about your dammage. I had a little myslef. Acording to my x girlfriend I was brain dead 
here's the low down on the component/RGB boxes:
Box1020: Accepts RGBHV/VGA; outputs RGBHV/VGA and YPbPr over 3 RCA jacks; has Image Alignment Correction ( IAC ) & BB ( Black Boost = Gamma )
(this isn't the Box you need BTW)
Box1040 Accpets RGBHV/VGA & YPbPr inputs; outputs RGBHV/VGA ( up to 1080P ), has IAC & BB.
FAQ's: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=10987.html
Box 1040 Lite, as above but limited to a max resolution of 1080i/720P
RTC2200 Accepts RGBHV/VGA & YPbPr inputs; outputs RGBHV/VGA ( up to 1080P ) has switchable sync, image offset and gamma. Automatic or manual setting of H-delay, H-width, V-width, H-polarity and V-polarity, including user selectable positive or negative sync output for older projectors like Barco 800/801/808/1208 that only accept negative sync.
FAQ's: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=6860.html
BTW your not crazy there IS an extra ZERO in the post tittle. I added it.
Jeremy
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blue_z
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Location: So Calif
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: OTA HD tuner for Electrohome ecp 4100 |
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| houndman wrote: | I'm looking for a tuner to run my 4100.
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I have the PJ running off an analog tuner card in my PC, and was wondering if I should go with an HDPC tuner, or if an HD tuner box would run through it if it wouldn't chop the resolution down? |
Hi there
Apparently there are no HTPC fans responding (yet).
Your analog TV tuner in the PC is going to be useless in a few months. Perhaps you should replace it with an ATSC tuner, either a PCI card or USB stick. Prices range from $10 after rebate to $150. If you have a good antenna and reception (no multipath) then even the cheapest ATSC tuner will suffice. The PC to PJ connection (presumably VGA HD-15 to RGBHV 5xBNC) does not have to change. If the PC hardware is not up to snuff, the HD video will stutter. A decent video card (e.g. nVidia 8500gt) might provide enough GPU hardware acceleration to offload a weak CPU.
An HTPC will also solve your upscaling DVD player issue.
I like to use the WatchHDTV application software to control the HTPC tuner. It's very easy to switch between window sizes and between 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.
Regards
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: OTA HD tuner for Electrohome ecp 4100 |
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| blue_z wrote: | | houndman wrote: | I'm looking for a tuner to run my 4100.
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I have the PJ running off an analog tuner card in my PC, and was wondering if I should go with an HDPC tuner, or if an HD tuner box would run through it if it wouldn't chop the resolution down? |
Hi there
Apparently there are no HTPC fans responding (yet).
Your analog TV tuner in the PC is going to be useless in a few months. Perhaps you should replace it with an ATSC tuner, either a PCI card or USB stick. The PC to PJ connection (presumably VGA HD-15 to RGBHV 5xBNC) does not have to change. If the PC hardware is not up to snuff, the HD video will stutter. A decent video card (e.g. nVidia 8500gt) might provide enough GPU hardware acceleration to offload a weak CPU.
An HTPC will also solve your upscaling DVD player issue.
I like to use the WatchHDTV application software to control the HTPC tuner. It's very easy to switch between window sizes and between 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios.
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Ohh I have a bunch ( trio, hat trick? ) of HTPC's here. I just like the way the OTA tuner boxes just work. I also use Watch HDTV. Great little program! Blows ATi's MMC outta the water because it actaully works as described!
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blue_z
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: OTA HD tuner for Electrohome ecp 4100 |
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | I just like the way the OTA tuner boxes just work. |
True, especially if you're connecting to a digital display device, i.e. HDTV, and not to an RGBHV device. Connecting the PC to an old PJ is so much simpler, and the OP has already done it!
The downside is that there could be a lot of PC tweaking. Nvidia finally has colorspace selection (video versus computer) in the latest 17x drivers, but hardware acceleration is partially broken for my 7300gt card (deinterlace artifacts are sometimes visible) (but the 8500gt is ok).
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AnalogRocks
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Dpends on the OTA tunner. My PHD 205 has RGBHV out and aparently so does the SIR360.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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blue I was wondering the same thing about HTPC advice. If the HTPC is good enough than a HD tuner card would be pretty inexpensive solution. One could also add a bluray drive and watch programming off of the internet from Hulu, etc. Plus, you could play with resolutions and gamma. Conversely, the Samsung is a good alternative. I didn't know it had component input. The only thing that would concern me is how good the tuner chip is. If your close and have a good line of sight to the towers, then it probably wouldn't be a problem. The newest tuner cards have really good tuner chips. One final thing, stay away from the RCA. I have one and it is not bad but its reception performance is poor.
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houndman
Joined: 14 Nov 2008
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Location: Phila, Pa
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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looks like 2 different faceplates/cases on the 360's listed on Ebay.
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houndman
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Rocks, have to be kidding about being brain dead, but sounds like she gave you a laugh.
I missed some of the replies somehow, but going back to digest the info. Looks good, and you guys Know Your PJ's.
Gona try to grab a 360 soon on Ebay, and good I can use a PC if I add a tuner to it for better DVD's.
I'll learn this stuff, Again. I always get behind, and have to catch up, and learn the new stuff, since I don't keep up with what is new, till I need it.
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blue_z
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | blue I was wondering the same thing about HTPC advice. If the HTPC is good enough than a HD tuner card would be pretty inexpensive solution. One could also add a bluray drive and watch programming off of the internet from Hulu, etc. Plus, you could play with resolutions and gamma. |
Hi there
The flexibility/versatility of an HTPC is a blessing and a curse.
From what I've read, a standalone Blu-ray player is better choice than trying to get it to work on a PC.
Success with OTA HDTV on a PC is a very different story. The ATSC tuners for PCs have been available for several years now, MPEG-2 video codecs are stable, MPEG-2 acceleration is common in video cards, and application software has caught up with the hardware so there are several choices for front-ends.
Another big advantage of the ATSC tuner in the PC is the built-in recording capability with disk storage limited only by your budget and computer case/PSU. "EasyHDTV" may be the only program that does not have recording capability whereas "WatchHDTV" offers the most recording flexibility. I give "MCE 2005" low marks because the program is always recording to disk while you watch.
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Spanky Ham
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blue, I agree. I haven't played with it as much as a lot of people, but it does offer some advantages. If you have the money, then I say go for seperates. A VP, PS3 or other blu ray player, and your cable box of choice probably is the best route with the least headaches. I haven't tried the blu ray drives, but I see they are now under $100.
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| blue_z wrote: | | Spanky Ham wrote: | | blue I was wondering the same thing about HTPC advice. If the HTPC is good enough than a HD tuner card would be pretty inexpensive solution. One could also add a bluray drive and watch programming off of the internet from Hulu, etc. Plus, you could play with resolutions and gamma. |
Hi there
The flexibility/versatility of an HTPC is a blessing and a curse.
From what I've read, a standalone Blu-ray player is better choice than trying to get it to work on a PC.
Success with OTA HDTV on a PC is a very different story. The ATSC tuners for PCs have been available for several years now, MPEG-2 video codecs are stable, MPEG-2 acceleration is common in video cards, and application software has caught up with the hardware so there are several choices for front-ends.
Another big advantage of the ATSC tuner in the PC is the built-in recording capability with disk storage limited only by your budget and computer case/PSU. "EasyHDTV" may be the only program that does not have recording capability whereas "WatchHDTV" offers the most recording flexibility. I give "MCE 2005" low marks because the program is always recording to disk while you watch.
Regards |
ATi decided to do this to their users with a downgrade ( higher version number ) they posted for their Multi Media Centre.
They also decided to make regular video 240i!?! WTF? My previously properly working Athalon 3200XP chip with 2GB ram HTPC was brought to a stand still. Idiots!
That's when I went hunting for a better program to run the ATi HDTV tuner card. Watch HDTV was by far the best easiest. Only problem was no remote control support. I never did get the recording side of thisg working for the scheduler, but then I never tried. I was just happy to be able to 'watch HDTV' without the ATi MMC glitch that caused the video to black out every few seconds then come back and display the recieved resolution on the screen. BS.
So yes you can certainly add an HDTV tuner card/USB reciever to your PC. You can output a resolution that your porjector likes (1080i ) and scale everything to that. DVD's always look better to me on HTPC as compared to stand alone DVD player/line doulber combo. I have never compared a Bluray standalone upscale to my HTPC though.
There's lots of HTPC stuff to read here: http://curtpalme.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11
even more over at AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s&forumid=26
After owning nothing but HTPC's for DVD since 1996 and just recently getting a stand alone DVD player ( free! ) The stand alone is easier but the HTPC looks better.
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