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johnsmith808 · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 100

I already own Avia on DVD and was wondering if I needed to get the Digital Video Essentials HD:Basic Bluray. I read that people who owned both come out with the same settings.

I guess things that have to do with resolution would be important in bluray, but things like color, black levels, contrast should be the same.

Are colors/levels the same on Bluray and DVD? What else would I be missing with the Bluray DVE?

**kal** · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:19 am Post subject:

The greyscale patterns in AVIA are known to be incorrect so you can't use them for greyscale calibration.

Kal

Ohmess · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 242 Location: Vienna, VA

Kal -- a related question. I have a copy of the Digitial Video Essentials DVD, does it have a gray scale I can use to setup my projector (presuming I can get it running again), or do I need to get the Blue Ray version?

Z-Photo · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject:

Greyscale the video path that you use the most.

Honestly with the crappy calibration of the networks - I have found that a perfect calibration is overated.

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

Z-Photo · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject:

What I love to see is a ESPN(or other network) feature with old footage - the color is amazingly bad. Even between studio sites the color calibration will be dramatically off.

Yes I agree if you only watcha stable video source (Blu-ray) etc then it can be very worth while. If you watch primarly cable/sat - then it is a different cost benefit analysis.

Damn it is not rocket science - you think that the idiots could get a stable calibration done - I have watched numerous football games that the different view point cameras are way off. - dont get me started on CBS (gauh)

**kal** · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject:

**kal** · Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject:

Brian Hampton · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1173

Hi,

I own the Digital Essentials DVD and the Digital Essentials Blu Ray (and the "A Video Standard" Laserdisc which is the LD version of this stuff.)

I only watch Blu Rays and DVDs on my projector ... (no cable TV and stuff.)

I had the Avia DVD but I gave it to my step-dad who is building a Home Theater. (Avia had great audio setup information.)

I understand the color space is different between DVD and Blu Ray but I watch mostly Blu Ray so I prefer to use the Blu Ray setup disc for setup.

DVE on Blu Ray is very cheap for a setup disc so I don't think anyone who is interested in setting up a projector for Blu Ray playback should think twice about buying it. It's a great disc. I have a friend with a stand alone Blu Ray player (not a PS3 like I use) and the menus of DVE were painfully slow but the disc was still useable.

I think I paid more for Avia then I did for all 3 versions I have of Video Essentials and DVE has accurate grey scale patterns and very nice geometry patterns.

I may be able to answer more specific questions about DVE if there are any but my view is if you watch Blu Rays then DVE should be the next HT purchase if you don't have it already. (Then again... I do my own projector setup and if you are someone that pays a pro to setup your CRT FP then you may not need or want a setup disc.)

-Brian

johnsmith808 · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 100

Thanks Brian. I ordered mine a couple of days ago from Amazon. It came today. Just waiting for my pj to get here now.

I'm getting everything ready. Got my Hdfury ordered, Box1020, unistrut, cables, now DVE bluray. Just waiting for the pj to get here in one piece.

stefuel · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:02 am Post subject:

You can use a test pattern generator to calibrate for what SHOULD be coming down the pipe. However, this is in many cases wrong. I watch more cable/sat than anything and it's frustrating to have so many thousands invested in equipment and not be able to get more than a couple of channels correct.

winduptoy · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject:

DVE (DVD) does have a grayscale. Display patterns has 20, 40, 80 & 100IRE windows w/pluge, good enough to set Bias and Gain but not enough points to get a good gamma curve. BR version has windows in 5IRE increments.