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WTS
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Hi Mike,
Unbelievable that these studios are still using EE even on BR, I guess they'll never learn of should I say care about people with higher end gear. If they're doing it for the lower end crowd then it's a waste because in my opinion the lower end crowd is lower end for a reason and that is they really don't care how good or bad it looks as long as they can watch the damn movie and think it looks good. I have this recorded off sat HD, I'll have to have a look for that, approx where is this scene?
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MikeEby
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| WTS wrote: |
I have this recorded off sat HD, I'll have to have a look for that, approx where is this scene? |
It's near the beginning of the movie after he steals the police car and stops the guy in the Ford Granada, out in the desert.
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WTS
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I'll check it out one night and see if it's on the sat hd transfer.
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EE in "No Country for old Men"? I'll have to queue that one up for myself as every single review I've read about the Blu-ray version states that the transfer is 100% flawless. I've watched it twice now and agree.
Blu-ray gets a lot of things right that DVD very often got wrong. The number one item is EE. It seems 50-75% (guessing) of DVDs I've watched (I own around 800) have some form of annoying EE. I've got about 50-100 Blu-ray discs now and I'm pleased to see that this percentage has dropped WAAY down. It's actually very close to zero. The one or two discs that I have and have read reviews about that have EE, the EE is minor enough to not be noticable/intrusive. Yes, any EE is bad in my books but DVD just got it all wrong most of the time with excess amounts.
Pop in both the BR and DVD versions of Casino Royale for a good comparison. The EE on the DVD just destroys what little resolution there is. Skip to the chapter that starts with the boat landing on the water and look at the white text when it pops up. Horribly EE'ed with bad ringing on the DVD, perfect on BR.
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Spanky Ham
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I was going to post this over at AVS, but I thought I would do it over here.
| Quote: | guys, I got to do my first comparison between HDMI and HD-SDI the other day after I finished modding my Panny BD30, the difference is subtle but is much appreciated, there is a small veil of digitalness gone from the image, at first it looks softer due to false detail being removed but you end up with a extra bit of crispness after actually viewing, colors are better as well, cleaner looking and more natural with less gradiations
pretty much the same as with SDI for DVD
technically you lose HDCP, colorspace conversions and sampling, bit errors, handshaking BS, cable length issues and freeing of HDMI for audio work
HDMI and SDI/HD-SDI are both digital but that is all that is in common, PQ is improved and that is all that matters to me
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I was wondering when audiophile review speak would make it into the video world. Gary has successfully done this with "small veil" reference. I didn't know whether to laugh or not. I can't wait to read what other audiophile words come on over.
I am with Walter on wanting to see a good comparison between HDMI and HD-SDI. It shouldn't be that difficult, as I did a cable comparison with test patterns and found very little difference between the cables I was testing. This should really take no more than a hour.
| Gary M. wrote: | guys I simply can't comment on chips and implementation or etc. because that is sales talk
but for the record and to set that straight, I am working with JVB on HD-SDI products(you must forgive me Curt because that is sales talk)
I can't divulge chips or implementation or schematics etc., HD-SDI mods are not DIY, that I can assure anyone, nothing like SD-SDI, there is even board level programming involved for each unit and every different player out there, tough work involved
-Gary |
| Gary M. wrote: | | WTS wrote: | A PRICK TO YOU?
Why, because I said you filter was BS, I guess if that's being a prick then that I was. Now I think you're the F**king prick, ban the PRICK Curt!
As far as Gary doing the design on the HD-SDI get real, this guy does not have the knowledge to design anything like this and I'm sure he'll admit to that himself. Someone else is doing the design, what part Gary is playing in this I'm sure is very minimal as far as the actual electronic design goes.
Gary you need to stop buffing yourself up and making like you're one smart one here when it comes SDI. |
when did I say I designed it Walter, please show me that, as well with being the smart one? I never said anything I simply do the mods, big and little of it
I said the install is not DIY, nor would someone be instantly qualified if they were a EE
saying my filter was BS is not the problem at all, I welcomed the critique(which I proved was false BTW), it was your attitude towards me, which I see you still have
and for the record I actually have designed and modded more than a couple DVD players with SDI from the ground up, you don't have to be a EE to read service manuals and implement simple procedures
most people that dislike me online, on this forum etc. started out with a chip on their shoulder because of my age, thats all Phil ever mentions while he dingle berries around my posts, if someone doesn't like it then tough, I am sorry
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Gary,
I hope you have a contract with the designer and chip manufacturer to do a proprietary mod with proprietary chips. Otherwise it would be pretty arrogant to believe that others around here could not do a HD-SDI mod. I mean you have a host of sellers making products for this market on Curt's site. I would think Scott could do this or someone at VDC. If HD-SDI actually does bring about an improvement, then I would think they would be interested in implementing it. I wonder if the president of VDC (from Mark's statement) went back and actually did testing on HD-SDI and found no difference.
I don't think people dislike you because of your age, but for a host of other reasons. I think I have only called out Nautikal (19 or 20) once and that was over the Pearlbrite, but he did have a legit beef. That being said I don't dislike him nor do I believe any of the people that went to the meet in Va last year dislike him or others on this forum. No Gary, I think age may contribute but like I said it is for other reasons. I actually feel sorry for you, because after reading your posts for years it always seems like your pissed about the image that your getting. While I think most here may want an improvement in their image, they can at least enjoy what they are watching.
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Gary M.
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | I was going to post this over at AVS, but I thought I would do it over here.
| Quote: | guys, I got to do my first comparison between HDMI and HD-SDI the other day after I finished modding my Panny BD30, the difference is subtle but is much appreciated, there is a small veil of digitalness gone from the image, at first it looks softer due to false detail being removed but you end up with a extra bit of crispness after actually viewing, colors are better as well, cleaner looking and more natural with less gradiations
pretty much the same as with SDI for DVD
technically you lose HDCP, colorspace conversions and sampling, bit errors, handshaking BS, cable length issues and freeing of HDMI for audio work
HDMI and SDI/HD-SDI are both digital but that is all that is in common, PQ is improved and that is all that matters to me
-Gary |
I was wondering when audiophile review speak would make it into the video world. Gary has successfully done this with "small veil" reference. I didn't know whether to laugh or not. I can't wait to read what other audiophile words come on over.
I am with Walter on wanting to see a good comparison between HDMI and HD-SDI. It shouldn't be that difficult, as I did a cable comparison with test patterns and found very little difference between the cables I was testing. This should really take no more than a hour.
| Gary M. wrote: | guys I simply can't comment on chips and implementation or etc. because that is sales talk
but for the record and to set that straight, I am working with JVB on HD-SDI products(you must forgive me Curt because that is sales talk)
I can't divulge chips or implementation or schematics etc., HD-SDI mods are not DIY, that I can assure anyone, nothing like SD-SDI, there is even board level programming involved for each unit and every different player out there, tough work involved
-Gary |
| Gary M. wrote: | | WTS wrote: | A PRICK TO YOU?
Why, because I said you filter was BS, I guess if that's being a prick then that I was. Now I think you're the F**king prick, ban the PRICK Curt!
As far as Gary doing the design on the HD-SDI get real, this guy does not have the knowledge to design anything like this and I'm sure he'll admit to that himself. Someone else is doing the design, what part Gary is playing in this I'm sure is very minimal as far as the actual electronic design goes.
Gary you need to stop buffing yourself up and making like you're one smart one here when it comes SDI. |
when did I say I designed it Walter, please show me that, as well with being the smart one? I never said anything I simply do the mods, big and little of it
I said the install is not DIY, nor would someone be instantly qualified if they were a EE
saying my filter was BS is not the problem at all, I welcomed the critique(which I proved was false BTW), it was your attitude towards me, which I see you still have
and for the record I actually have designed and modded more than a couple DVD players with SDI from the ground up, you don't have to be a EE to read service manuals and implement simple procedures
most people that dislike me online, on this forum etc. started out with a chip on their shoulder because of my age, thats all Phil ever mentions while he dingle berries around my posts, if someone doesn't like it then tough, I am sorry
-Gary |
Gary,
I hope you have a contract with the designer and chip manufacturer to do a proprietary mod with proprietary chips. Otherwise it would be pretty arrogant to believe that others around here could not do a HD-SDI mod. I mean you have a host of sellers making products for this market on Curt's site. I would think Scott could do this or someone at VDC. If HD-SDI actually does bring about an improvement, then I would think they would be interested in implementing it. I wonder if the president of VDC (from Mark's statement) went back and actually did testing on HD-SDI and found no difference. |
I said I wasn't going to reply anymore but I need to address this, why I am wasting my time with someone like you is beyond me, after all your rational logic is to poke fun at where I live (east bumble KY was it?), which is committing a logical fallacy and proves that there is no way to have a intelligent discussion with you
if you think that a veil being removed from the image is audiophile talk then again I am wasting my time talking to you as you are obviously not a videophile that can understand basic principals of noise, image haziness etc., I don't care who does what testing or etc., everyone knows what SDI brings to the table and I am not going to get into that pissing match, it has long been proved
concerning HD-SDI mods, I want to see someone crank them out, please contact me when you do, I am waiting and have been for 5 years and it still hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen dude, it is not DIY, moome says he isn't even going to attempt it, contact Pixel Magic about their DIY HD-SDI kit, contact Jim at Lumagen and see what they are doing, what I am trying to get over is that people just don't understand the subject, these mods are not DIY, they cannot be done by a joe blow, I never said it can't be devloped because obviously it can, but it would take someone really equipped, of which I am not myself, like I told Walter, I only do the mods, which is hard enough
frankly I find it interesting that I am being attacked left and right over producing a mod and how I am not telling every Tom Dick and Harry how it's done
concerning the mods, I am proud to say that my company (Custom HT) is working with JVB on them, that is all I can say and need to say, end of story
if Curt and Kal wish to deal with me then they can contact me, I have lots of cool stuff to offer and I will be glad to enter the fire that is this forum because I like alot of people here including Curt
and for the record you couldn't have been reading much about me and my image critiquing lately because I have been 100% happy with my current HT for over 2 years now, before that yes, but not for nearly 2 years now, after finally getting happy with my current setup I have enabled myself to move on to better things like software/hardware review and journalism work, beta testing and obviously business development, like I always said this is a hobby first for me and my enthusiasm and excitement is 100% from that
-Gary
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to me the only prob i can see is that you are touting the virtues of a mod. Then saying that no-one else can do this mod.
Oh, only if there was some PRIVATE way for someone to get a MESSAGE to me..... then we could discuss it further...... 
i can see why the guys have issues with this. If its a diy mod then share... if its a DI gary mod.......
thats my 2c.
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From what I understand is Gary is helping the engineers at JVB digital do the mods, they were the ones who designed it and did the Programing for it and gary was a person who most likely tested and later was shown how to do the mod and given the program material to re program the chips involved. I looked up all over on how to do HD SDI and sent emails to JVB and other SDi mod places and they all said it can not be done by the typical DIY'r, you need programing skills and the evaluation boards to do the work including the re programing work. so what gary says that it cant be done by a DIY'r is most likely 100% correct. My assumption about his involvement the way I described it it is just my wild Guess.
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | to me the only prob i can see is that you are touting the virtues of a mod. Then saying that no-one else can do this mod.
Oh, only if there was some PRIVATE way for someone to get a MESSAGE to me..... then we could discuss it further......
i can see why the guys have issues with this. If its a diy mod then share... if its a DI gary mod.......
thats my 2c.
Hope it doesnt get ya upset |
John, I never said anyone else can't do it, but yes I am touting the virtues of it
I said DIY can't be done, how many times I have to say this is hard to believe, it simply can't be done
even if I could tell someone how to do it A) I wouldn't at this point in time because that is counter productive to selling mods b) it wouldn't do anyone any good with the info c) I can't even if I wanted to
for the millionth time I posted my thoughts as a enthusiast and how excited I was to finally get to add HD-SDI to my own system, yes I sell mods and it wouldn't be in the best interest to give everything I have over to charity, I have helped many friends, forum members etc, with SDI mods over the years and will do so down the road, but not at this time or in the near future, I'm sorry it just can't be done
again I say I don't see anyone pestering Moome or Mike or etc. to show everyone how to DIY on stuff they offer, I was treated this very same way as of right now when I was a member of the forum doing business with Curt, it never ceases to amaze at the crap I have to deal with at this place 
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| Nashou66 wrote: | From what I understand is Gary is helping the engineers at JVB digital do the mods, they were the ones who designed it and did the Programing for it and gary was a person who most likely tested and later was shown how to do the mod and given the program material to re program the chips involved. I looked up all over on how to do HD SDI and sent emails to JVB and other SDi mod places and they all said it can not be done by the typical DIY'r, you need programing skills and the evaluation boards to do the work including the re programing work. so what gary says that it cant be done by a DIY'r is most likely 100% correct. My assumption about his involvement the way I described it it is just my wild Guess.
Athanasios |
Athan, that is not really how it happened with me and JVB
to put it simply I am doing HD-SDI mods in association with JVB, I am so happy to be working with them
the rest of what you said after the "I looked" into HD-SDI mods is 100% correct on the money 
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| Gary M. wrote: | | again I say I don't see anyone pestering Moome or Mike or etc. to show everyone how to DIY on stuff they offer, I was treated this very same way as of right now when I was a member of the forum doing business with Curt, it never ceases to amaze at the crap I have to deal with at this place |
Because Moome and Mike are authorized to sell on this forum. You're not, and have been told not to. Yet you do it anyway. Over, and over, and over.
Curt and Kal have been extremely lenient with you. Surprisingly lenient. You have no right to complain about anything.
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | Gary M. wrote: | | again I say I don't see anyone pestering Moome or Mike or etc. to show everyone how to DIY on stuff they offer, I was treated this very same way as of right now when I was a member of the forum doing business with Curt, it never ceases to amaze at the crap I have to deal with at this place |
Because Moome and Mike are authorized to sell on this forum. You're not, and have been told not to. Yet you do it anyway. Over, and over, and over.
Curt and Kal have been extremely lenient with you. Surprisingly lenient. You have no right to complain about anything. |
wow that is some good logic there Phil
A)this is the first post I have made that could be construed as selling since I was booted by Curt a year ago, so you are dead wrong about the over and over part and me getting all this lenience for supposed selling of goods
B)it is up to Curt or Kal to tell me that I am doing this or that, not you, it isn't your forum Phil, so stop following me around and playing with your self while posting
C) uh remember about a year ago when I was a a paid advertiser? I was treated the same exact f*cking way, made no difference, so your point is invalid whether or not I am a paid seller like Moome or Mike or etc., I was at one time and was not treated any differently
there are people all over this forum that just so happen to deal in stuff, this or that, that don't advertise with Curt/Kal and are not attacked left and right and are allowed to go their merry way
I can't even get excited about this or that or post about anything without someone thinking I have a angle to a big fat bag of cash somehow
somebody please explain to me why I even waste my time on this forum?? 
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Hi Mike,
I checked out No Country for Old Men, the sat HD version(720P version on this sat, expressvu) and there was definately EE in many places, actually it's probably the worst I've seen of any HD movie from a sat signal. I watched the movie National Treasure(2nd one) right before it and it was pretty much perfect in that respect.
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| Gary M. wrote: |
I said I wasn't going to reply anymore but I need to address this, why I am wasting my time with someone like you is beyond me, after all your rational logic is to poke fun at where I live (east bumble KY was it?), which is committing a logical fallacy and proves that there is no way to have a intelligent discussion with you
if you think that a veil being removed from the image is audiophile talk then again I am wasting my time talking to you as you are obviously not a videophile that can understand basic principals of noise, image haziness etc., I don't care who does what testing or etc., everyone knows what SDI brings to the table and I am not going to get into that pissing match, it has long been proved
concerning HD-SDI mods, I want to see someone crank them out, please contact me when you do, I am waiting and have been for 5 years and it still hasn't happened and it isn't going to happen dude, it is not DIY, moome says he isn't even going to attempt it, contact Pixel Magic about their DIY HD-SDI kit, contact Jim at Lumagen and see what they are doing, what I am trying to get over is that people just don't understand the subject, these mods are not DIY, they cannot be done by a joe blow, I never said it can't be devloped because obviously it can, but it would take someone really equipped, of which I am not myself, like I told Walter, I only do the mods, which is hard enough
frankly I find it interesting that I am being attacked left and right over producing a mod and how I am not telling every Tom Dick and Harry how it's done
concerning the mods, I am proud to say that my company (Custom HT) is working with JVB on them, that is all I can say and need to say, end of story
if Curt and Kal wish to deal with me then they can contact me, I have lots of cool stuff to offer and I will be glad to enter the fire that is this forum because I like alot of people here including Curt
and for the record you couldn't have been reading much about me and my image critiquing lately because I have been 100% happy with my current HT for over 2 years now, before that yes, but not for nearly 2 years now, after finally getting happy with my current setup I have enabled myself to move on to better things like software/hardware review and journalism work, beta testing and obviously business development, like I always said this is a hobby first for me and my enthusiasm and excitement is 100% from that
-Gary |
To clarify, I never made a personal attack on your living situation. I originally said you live in rural Kentucky with your parents. Since you had brought up cost in relation to scalers, I thought everyone should know your cost of living situation. Whether you allocate money to your parents to live at home or not, you still have a lower cost of living based on your location and therefore a higher discretionary income. Papalek and some others I believe mentioned having a budget, so I thought they should know where you are coming from in relation to cost. I don't care where you live as that is a personal decision. My father is from Henderson, Ky (actually Spottsville) and I was just up there last week for a family reunion. I have nothing against Ky and really like it up there. It does have some advantages like the cost of living and housing. Of course, there are others who prefer to live elsewhere like my cousin who is getting her masters degree from UK in a couple of weeks and can't wait to move to California. To each their own. There is your intelligent discussion!
As for being a videophile, I may not be one but I fully understand all of the criteria that make a good image as well as the problems associated with compromising said image. I think I have seen enough shows and set-ups to discern what is good and how big of a difference various equipment make.
As for HD-SDI, I hope you have a proprietary agreement to furnish the mods. Furthermore, I hope you make money doing the mod if it is determined that it actually provides a worthwhile enhancement. That is why I would like to see some good tests with a group of enthusiasts giving honest feedback. For $850, I hope those that have already bought it aren't fooling themselves with the placebo effect.
As for others doing it, I can't believe it is beyond the abilities of some of the members here. I don't know if VDC has tested it or not. Maybe they have and liked it but are to cheap to implement it. That may be the case or it might be Scott's next project after he finishes with his banding for point solution.
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| Gary M. wrote: | | this is the first post I have made that could be construed as selling since I was booted by Curt a year ago, so you are dead wrong about the over and over part and me getting all this lenience for supposed selling of goods |
One of your first post (or first post) since you've been back was a completely out of place post about your HD-SDI Blu-ray player (read ad) in the "Is a scaler a thing of the past" thread. I don't follow many threads, so I'm sure there are more examples.
It is Curt and Kal's call, but that doesn't mean I can't comment on it.
You act like I'm picking on you out of the blue. Care to refresh our memories on why you're no longer allowed to sell on this forum? Why you were BANNED? My memory is fresh, but others may not know your history.
Eric and I have discussed you in the past. I know for a fact he's not picking on you for no reason either.
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | Gary M. wrote: | | this is the first post I have made that could be construed as selling since I was booted by Curt a year ago, so you are dead wrong about the over and over part and me getting all this lenience for supposed selling of goods |
One of your first post (or first post) since you've been back was a completely out of place post about your HD-SDI Blu-ray player (read ad) in the "Is a scaler a thing of the past" thread. I don't follow many threads, so I'm sure there are more examples.
It is Curt and Kal's call, but that doesn't mean I can't comment on it.
You act like I'm picking on you out of the blue. Care to refresh our memories on why you're no longer allowed to sell on this forum? Why you were BANNED? My memory is fresh, but others may not know your history.
Eric and I have discussed you in the past. I know for a fact he's not picking on you for no reason either. |
once again you can claim "ad" if you want, but that doesn't make it so Phil
everyone knows why I was banned Phil, it is has nothing to do with business either so you can stop trying to hint at that, it has to do with the fact that I treated Curt like total sh*t in getting those ampro parts to him, that is why I was banned, simple as that
if you think I am trying to hide that you are wrong, everyone knows all about it and me and Curt have discussed it in the open a few times, likewise me and Curt both accepted blame for that fiasco
as for Eric?(whoever that is) if you have a problem with me or a issue please let me know so I can address it, I don't hide stuff as Phil claims and will be glad to address it
I find it disturbing how you follow me around Phil, always trying to start trouble when I post trying to make people understand what a crook you think I am, you know everything about me, it is just scary, you think people can't see how pathetic this is?
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MikeEby
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| WTS wrote: | Hi Mike,
I checked out No Country for Old Men, the sat HD version(720P version on this sat, expressvu) and there was definately EE in many places, actually it's probably the worst I've seen of any HD movie from a sat signal. I watched the movie National Treasure(2nd one) right before it and it was pretty much perfect in that respect. |
Good, I'm glad you verified that. I'm using an HTPC so I'm not sure you could truly call it an unmolested signal, if someone using an perhaps a PS3 or a standalone BD player to verify its there then also.
Yes, National Treasure both I & II were both nice transfers.
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| Phil Smith wrote: | With all due respect to Alan, I don't think he's that knowledgeable about HT.
I'd like to see a well setup, non-biased, double blind test of HDMI vs HD-SDI. |
Alan said he noticed less EE and less posterisation/banding. You don't need to be an expert to be able to see these effects.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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Alan is more of a videophile than Phil will ever be, I hate to be that blunt and call someone out like that, but Phil bashed him first and don't care to lay it on me thick
Alan is obsessed with video even more than I am, me and him were just talking about the Teranex processor he bought the other day, OMG!!!
speaking on what Alan said, it is my exact findings as well, the banding, posterization and contouring is where the biggest difference is, noise and EE as well
-Gary
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Gino wrote: | | Phil Smith wrote: | With all due respect to Alan, I don't think he's that knowledgeable about HT.
I'd like to see a well setup, non-biased, double blind test of HDMI vs HD-SDI. |
Alan said he noticed less EE and less posterisation/banding. You don't need to be an expert to be able to see these effects. |
If there's a difference, then there's a difference, but I'd liked to see a controlled, unbiased tests. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong if given something more than he said/she said evidence.
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