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garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

I'm trying to get a new PS3 running. Connection is PS3 -> HDMI -> Moome EXT-HD -> RGBHV -> 8500.

I currently have the 1080i and 1080p boxes unticked so it's putting out 720p, but I've also experimented with 1080i and 1080p. All work fine, as long as I'm in the PS3 system menu, playing downloaded trailers or games, etc. Even SD DVDs work fine.

But playing an actual BD disk doesn't work a-tall. My Marquee complains about sync (either "VSync out of range," or "Sync ?", depending on the disk), and the image is all scrambled like it can't lock on it. On the AVS HD 709 calibration disk (which is an AVCHD "burn BD content onto SD DVD" disk) I can sometimes (by hitting random buttons) get it to display some of the scenes on the disk, and move back & forth. But if I hit Menu, it goes back to sync scrambling.

EDIT: If I get the AVCHD disk to display, it appears to be running 1080i even though I've unticked 1080i and the system claims it's running 720p -- I can see twitter on 1-on-1-off horizontal line patterns. !? Apparently the AVS HD 709 disk content is 1080i, and the PS3 doesn't scale it to 720p??? But the menus must be something else, since the content displays OK but the menus don't.

What am I doing wrong??
Gary

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

Anyone? Anyone? Kal ?? Smile

ecrabb · Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:

Gary,

Have you updated the PS3's firmware?

Your issue is definitely weird. It almost sounds like it's HDCP-related. That's when HDCP would kick in - when you play a BD. But, that doesn't explain the AVS HD disc. I'm baffled.

Can you tell what resolution SD DVD's are playing in?

SC

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

I updated the firmware when I got it 2 weeks ago, and just updated it again today. So I've got the latest-greatest.

I asked on the PS3 forums, and the first reaction there was also that it must be HDCP-related. He was suspicious of my "HDMI converter," but obviously plenty of people here have successfully used the Moome EXT-HD with their PS3's.

He also wondered if the Moome box could be faulty. This is the first time I've "challenged" it with an HDCP signal so it's hard to say.

The AVS HD disk *DOES* kind of work -- the test patterns themselves work fine -- which does tend to indicate HDCP problems. But why would the menu run into HDCP issues?

If the PS3 can't handshake a good HDCP connection, does it display scrambled garbage, or an error message, or a blank screen, or...? If "scrambled garbage" is NOT the typical response to a bad HDCP handshake, that would rule out HDCP problems for this situation.

I'd try a non-HDCP connection but the PS3 doesn't have component outs. As far as I can tell it only has HDMI and composite. I guess I could test the composite on a TV or something.

Can't tell what the SD DVDs are running. 720p I think, but I'm not sure.

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

I just tried playing the disk of trailers that comes with the PS3 -- "Welcome to the PS3 Experience" or whatever it's called. Presumably this disk is NOT HDCP-protected -- and it plays just FINE.

Damn.

Guess I'd better drop Moome a line.... Sad

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

Wait. I had a Toshiba HD-A2 for a very short while. It worked great through the EXT-HD, but I really only played one disk (Transformers) with it. Wouldn't Transformers on HD-DVD be HDCP-protected?? If the EXT-HD worked with the HD-A2, shouldn't it work with the PS3?

ecrabb · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject:

Yeah, it should have worked, unless something happened to the Moome box between then and now. There could also be something wrong with the Moome box, that only revealed itself with the PS3. There could also be something wrong with the PS3!

Do you have a computer monitor you could try running with the output from the Moome box - just to be sure it isn't projector-related?

Is there anybody near by with another PS3 you could try?

I'm using the HD Fury with the PS3... When it switches resolutions and clips at the beginning of a movie, I see about 1/2 second of a screen full of what is obviously "digital noise". Looks like old analog snow, only it's super-sharp "1080p snow". Wink

I would assume it's the encrypted stream getting displayed in the frame buffer momentarily before the HDCP handshake occurs and starts decrypting the stream.

I think I'd be most suspicious of the Moome box or something between it and the projector. It's weird that the projector loses synch. If it was truly just HDCP-related, and no handshake was occurring, I would think you'd get a nice clean black image, because the PS3 would say, "Nuh uh. Not gonna do it." Obviously, if you can see the image, the PS3 is handshaking and going ahead and displaying the content... so the handshake is occurring... but for whatever reason, the Moome box is outputting something the projector doesn't like.

That's about all I have to offer!

SC

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

ecrabb · Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject:

I'm not surprised the LCD wouldn't work - lots of those will only accept standard "computer" resolutions. The multisync CRT, though - that should have displayed anything the PS3 would spit out, save for 1080p.

I agree - I'd see what Moome thinks before I did anything else.

SC

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

Well, the LCD did just fine with the PS3 menu and an Ironman game demo, which are 720p. The PS3 is set to a max of 720p so it shouldn't be putting out 1080p. And even if it was, the Marquee can handle that -- I tried it already. The "scrambled mess" signal is something else.

garyfritz · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 12088 Location: Fort Collins, CO

**DUH**. I emailed Moome, and he asked me "Did you turn off the 1080p/24 output on the PS3?"

Uh. No....

I had it set to a max of 720p so it never occurred to me that it would display 1080p. 1080p/24 is set in a different area of the config menu so I didn't think to change it. Turn that off, and shazam! Movies play just fine.