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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | Gary M. wrote: |
when someone tells me that costs relates to the validity of a scaler (or any other item) when applied to a CRT projection system and we can't discuss the validity of a scaler without bringing up my f*cking life story and how I choose to live with my folks, then it's time for me to walk, simple as that, and I wonder why I steered clear of CRT based forums for 6 months 
this thread is stupid and sucks 
-Gary |
You brought up cost having no bearing, but it in fact does for a lot of people. If you want to live with your parents in east bumble Kentucky, then fine with me. The problem is when you think people should just spend money for the best without consideration of budgetary concerns whether it has a large or minimal improvement.
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you show me where I said that? I am waiting and will be for a long time because I didn't
I said that considering the validity of a scaler in relation to CRT projectors and systems has nothing to do with cost, budgetary concerns where never mentioned, I said cost has nothing to do with the validity
you are doing classic ad hominem fallacious style arguements, my current status living at home has not one single f*cking thing to do with the validity of scalers, but you thought you could bring that up to get to me and my viewpoints tainted and not the argument, which is the validity of scalers
you are also engaging in a genetic fallacy by stating over and over where I live, assuming that because I am in eastern KY that I am _______ and that somehow relates to the validity of scalers
-Gary
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | nomadII wrote: | Is Phil Smiths G-70 capable of a image better now than when Sony stopped its production?
Did the good folks at Electrohome ever think that the 8500 could produce the image that MP is capable of coaxing out
of it?
When is the last time anyone here ever bought something from or directly contacted Barco?
You can choose to criticize or you can innovate, benefit or not benefit from those that attempt to further video improvements amongst the CRT landscape.
Those who help keep these machines viable have my respect & support. Foreign to me that anyone could think differently? |
I don't need processing to make my G70 better. It's better now because of better source material.
Mark, you're among those that take the HT thing as far as it can go with no expense spared. Most of us are very happy at a MUCH lower cost level.
| Quote: | | Gary, thru what I can only imagine was a large effort, has introduced the possiblilty of HD-SDI output from at least one video processor & a still unfinished list of HD sources. |
This an example of added cost (quite a bit of added cost) that I think adds zero to the PQ. I'm willing to bet money that no one can distinguish HD-SDI from HDMI in a blind test, because I don't think is any difference! The picture will be identical.
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you wanna bet huh? ever seen it (HD-SDI) in action Phil? notice you said "will" not "is"
we are talking about a HD-SDI output for a scaler to fed the blendzilla, Mike Parker has already stated that the zilla performs best when fed HD-SDI, still wanna bet?
lastly I find it hard to believe that you would "know" that a HD-SDI BD/HD player fed into a high-end scaler with a top end quality RGBHV output to CRT (remember no HDCP) will look identical to HDMI going the entire chain to CRT
-Gary
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Gary M. wrote: | | you wanna bet huh? |
Yes Gary, that's what I said. Someone impartial set it up. You name the price.
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Wait, I take that back. No offense Gary, but I don't think you'd pay me if you lost. Makes no sense to risk money for zero return.
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rickycleung
Joined: 09 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | And from what Kal said earlier, these type of projectors ironicly benefit from VP's the most, so that is not actually true.
There will always be those who want the best from a display and separate units will usually beat out all in one units, just like in audio, pre amp/separate amps perform much better than all in one receivers of the same caliber.
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I think only hometheater enthusiastic would aim at separate gears in
AV/audio system. The majority of the new comers are enjoying their Sony VW60 alot without video processor. They dont have an interest/knowledge to calibrate the video processor cause they feel that the picture is already very stunning. My friend said he wont spend time to tune this or that. He spend time to enjoy a movie, not checking all those grids, grey scale..etc.  The improvement of the digital projectors really take advantage in winning the new comers' markets.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: | | Wait, I take that back. No offense Gary, but I don't think you'd pay me if you lost. Makes no sense to risk money for zero return. |
no offense but I wouldn't put it past you to setup or take part in a impartial setup to test HD-SDI versus HDMI
sorry bud 
-Gary
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Phil Smith wrote: |
Jesus Gary, I didn't know you lived with your parents. In that case (no bills), you should have even better HT gear! What's the problem?  |
what does the lord Jesus have to do with scaler validity ?
-Gary
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I think a couple of people here need to cool their f*cking jets. The comments about Gary's housing status were uncalled for.They serve no purpose but to fuel a fire.
Gary, you've been borderline psyco over this thread from the beginning. You have to learn to curb your passion a bit.
All I'm trying to say here is something like "If I owned Mothers Car polish Co. and the whole world decided to buy a DeLorean" what would I do?
OK guy's COOL OFF!!!
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Phil Smith
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Come on, you've got know by now that I just like to argue. I'm not the least bit mad at Gary.
I will cool it as you request though.
Debating this is really like debating religion. No one has, or will, change anyone else's mind. I remain convinced that nothing but the basics are necessary in an HD world. Others obviously feel otherwise.
PS: To be honest, I think high-end AC power cords are the true key to good PQ. And luckily for us, Gary has them on sale! http://www.custom-ht.com/cables/power.html (Oops! I'm suppose to be cooling it. Sorry Chip!)
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stefuel
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Phil, you are nasty  I see this as one of those "who has the last word" things. I'm going to bed now and dream of 6,000X4,000 CRT projectors with quad-link HD SDI inputs and mystery scalers and...and ....and....big natural breasts 
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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thanks for the link Phil
another thread and another time I would be glad to go over them with you, but not right now
-Gary
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| stefuel wrote: | I think a couple of people here need to cool their f*cking jets. The comments about Gary's housing status were uncalled for.They serve no purpose but to fuel a fire.
Gary, you've been borderline psyco over this thread from the beginning. You have to learn to curb your passion a bit.
All I'm trying to say here is something like "If I owned Mothers Car polish Co. and the whole world decided to buy a DeLorean" what would I do?
OK guy's COOL OFF!!! |
I went borderline psycho as you say because here I am coming into a thread trying to disprove the conclusion that scalers are no longer valid, I mention SDI and what performance it brings and show a pic of one of my HD-SDI modded Panny BD players to get the point along
you reply back with a comment saying I was doing a shameless plug in your thread
what gets me is that I have been very kind to you in the past Chip, a few years ago you PM'd me and asked if I would give you instructions on doing a SDI mod, my main business, perfecting and selling mods and me sharing my secrets and helping you is what you were asking, and guess what? I did just that, I helped and gave you info for the mod, something I do for 400$ everyday
that is why I got upset if you want me to be honest
It don't matter what I do, you can't win with this CRT crowd here and on AVS, every thread I come into turns into a fight, people attacking me, how and where I choose to live, what I choose to sell and offer, it gets old quick
-Gary
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Bruce 09
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Gary M. wrote: | thanks for the link Phil
another thread and another time I would be glad to go over them with you, but not right now
-Gary |
Gary out of complete boredom I started wondering why you make your power cords with such similar awg wire ?
Can you see a difference between 16 and 14 wire at six foot lengths? If I have a digital projector in one room and my CRT in the other and I had the "appropriate" power cords connected to each one, would I be able to see the difference if someone secretly switched them?
Bruce
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | All I'm trying to say here is something like "If I owned Mothers Car polish Co. and the whole world decided to buy a DeLorean" what would I do? |
Give your own DeLorean a really cool paint Job so every one can see how much nicer it looks painted, so everyone wants one painted too and then you'd be selling your polish like crazy !!!!
Hey this is exactly what A VP does to display devices!!! It makes them LOOK BETTER !!!!!!!!!
Gary dont give up on the CRT world bud because of a few egotistical people who can't justify something that people like us who truly care about the reproduction of a film on our own displays the way the director envisioned it to look. If Kal gave up because a few people think Calibration of a set is hogwash we wouldn't have his excellent guide, and ask any professional calibrator out their a display that has a VP as its front end can be calibrated much closer to the accepted standards than one with out. It be nice to have one of these people who dont think a VP is nessasary have someone like Ken Whitcombe or another respected calibrator set up there set both ways with and with out the VP in a blind test, one memory bank with VP calibration one with out. let the owner of the display and his friends watch and comment on which they like best. This will put an end to this black hole of a disccusion. I know this is not what the OP wants to know. but as JRP from Lumagen says he was told years ago that the VP buisness was dead and here he is still making VP's and expanding and growing.
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Bruce 09
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: |
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I do agree IF you want to squeeze the best out of your high end CRT a High quality VP is a must, and any body who does not think so probably could not tell the difference between Flat paint and eggshell paint .
Nashou66 there used to be a lot of people saying the same thing about colour calibration as well, where I think it is one of the biggest overall improvements you can do for a CRT.
Bruce
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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guys I am not selling power cable to improve video or anything like that, the application is rather simple
you use shielded power cables to prevent noise from entering speaker cables, simple as that
my personal system is equipped with all shielded power cables on everything, shielded speaker wire as well, I have zero noise with silence playing on my system, the noise floor is none existent because it isn't there
all my equipment is tucked into one tiny closet and it is a noisy nightmare for speaker cables, and other analog interconnects
shield all your cables and you are good to go, it's not about cleaner power thru a shielded power cable (people try and make things way too complicated), its about holding the noise in and draining it to a central ground
as for AWG the 14AWG is for amplifiers and such, 16awg is overkill for most components
simple as that, you can get decent shielded power cables from monoprice for 5$, my cables(which I have discontinued BTW) simply had a hospital grade plug, a high-end tight fitting IEC, some techflex and used the Belden 19364 shielded AC cable
-Gary
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nomadII
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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I know of only 2 people that have seen the results of HD-SDI fed into a DVX-8022.
For my 2 cents I will continue to trust MP & William Kosmann.
When the people that edit & transfer multi-million dollar Hollywood productions utilize HDMI, who knows,
I may become a bigger proponent.
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Gino
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I've run my HD-SDI modded XA1 direct to the DVX back in the day, this looked very nice, but I was comparing it to component as moome's solutions weren't available yet.
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Gary M.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| nomadII wrote: | I know of only 2 people that have seen the results of HD-SDI fed into a DVX-8022.
For my 2 cents I will continue to trust MP & William Kosmann.
When the people that edit & transfer multi-million dollar Hollywood productions utilize HDMI, who knows,
I may become a bigger proponent. |
now this is a shameless plug 
I have got to get you guys a VP50pro unit with HD-SDI output to fed zilla, would love to hear what MP and William thought
-Gary
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Guys, there is no technical reason (at least that I can think of) that HD-SDI would hold any technical advantage whatsoever over HDMI in a home setting. I don't see the point of getting all wet over a 4:4:4 transport mechanism when your source is 4:2:0 Blu-ray content! Unless some of you are watching your movies on D-5HD masters...
In a high-end spatial processing application like the DVX, I suppose it might make some sense to have a higher-quality transport between processor and blender, but even then... In most of our single-projector systems, there isn't any real need for HD-SDI.... ESPECIALLY between source and processor, since the SDI and HDMI would both see the same data stream.
Now, the physical connector... HDMI sucks in that department... big time.
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