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jpdawg76
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Lumagen Vision HDP |
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Is it possible to do the following? This would make my decision for a quality scaler so much easier.
Component (480i) -> DVI (1080p)?
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Yes.
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jpdawg76
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Awesome. I have a Denon DVD player that I'd like to use as a DVD source when I get the Panasonic BD-50 (most likely). I heard its predecessor doesn't upscale DVD very well so it had me a little concerned.
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jpdawg76
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | i have a Denon 1600 with the sdi output, have not found better image for SD dvd's, still better than any upscaling HD player for SD discs to be honest. Keep it and look into having moded for SDI or look for an already SDI moded player for your SD collection.
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Sweet. I have a Denon 2900. How would one go about getting this mod?
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Nashou66
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if you want to do the SDI mod make sure the HDP your getting has the SDI input, it a option for the HDP i think it was 400 more. Also I believe lumagen can add the board for you.
Gary Murell over on AVSforum does this mod, I am not sure how much he Charges. or you could look for one already moded 2900 in the for sale sections on AVS as i have seen more being sold and this might be a cheaper alternative.
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Honestly, given that DVD is on the way out, the Oppo 970 can be had used for $100 or a new 980 can be had for $160, both of which do 480i over HDMI, I just don't see any reason to go SDI now. The very very very very small (if any) improvement over these players is just not worth it to support a dying format IMO. YMMV.
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jpdawg76
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| Person99 wrote: | | Honestly, given that DVD is on the way out, the Oppo 970 can be had used for $100 or a new 980 can be had for $160, both of which do 480i over HDMI, I just don't see any reason to go SDI now. The very very very very small (if any) improvement over these players is just not worth it to support a dying format IMO. YMMV. |
How might that compare to using component (480i) to the HDP from the Denon? Better quality from Oppo over the HDMI?
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| jpdawg76 wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | Honestly, given that DVD is on the way out, the Oppo 970 can be had used for $100 or a new 980 can be had for $160, both of which do 480i over HDMI, I just don't see any reason to go SDI now. The very very very very small (if any) improvement over these players is just not worth it to support a dying format IMO. YMMV. |
How might that compare to using component (480i) to the HDP from the Denon? Better quality from Oppo over the HDMI? |
Oh yes, the Oppo HDMI is much better. You save a D/A and A/D conversion. The A/D conversion is the lossy one.
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| Person99 wrote: | | jpdawg76 wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | Honestly, given that DVD is on the way out, the Oppo 970 can be had used for $100 or a new 980 can be had for $160, both of which do 480i over HDMI, I just don't see any reason to go SDI now. The very very very very small (if any) improvement over these players is just not worth it to support a dying format IMO. YMMV. |
How might that compare to using component (480i) to the HDP from the Denon? Better quality from Oppo over the HDMI? |
Oh yes, the Oppo HDMI is much better. You save a D/A and A/D conversion. The A/D conversion is the lossy one. |
Good to know, thanks. So that puts me in the market for an Oppo 980, an HDP, and a new wife once the current one figures out what I'm spending to finish this theater 
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jpdawg76
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Just to double-check myself, is the following video chain the best configuration I can get with this equipment?
OPPO980H (HDMI) ----> (DVI) Lumagen VISION HDP (DVI) ----> (HDMI) EXT-FULLHD (RGBHV) ----> (RGBHV) Marquee 9000
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jpdawg76 wrote: | Just to double-check myself, is the following video chain the best configuration I can get with this equipment?
OPPO980H (HDMI) ----> (DVI) Lumagen VISION HDP (DVI) ----> (HDMI) EXT-FULLHD (RGBHV) ----> (RGBHV) Marquee 9000 |
Yes. Some would argue that SDI is better, but many (including Lumagen from their own testing) would argue that it is not.
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Thanks, Dave. I had it in my mind that DVI had a penchant for crushing blacks. I think that thought may have stemmed from the original Moome DVI input cards.
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I just heard the Oppo 983H has great SD upconversion on its own and from a person that had the 980 before. I thought the Panasonic BD 30K had great SD upconversion from what I have seen (has gamma 5 point boost). Both via HDMI.
I think the Oppo players have put a dent in SDI conversions lately. Doug
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| jpdawg76 wrote: | | Thanks, Dave. I had it in my mind that DVI had a penchant for crushing blacks. I think that thought may have stemmed from the original Moome DVI input cards. |
There were also alot of problems with the toshiba HD DVD players. They did not do the YCrCb->RGB conversion correctly, so crushed blacks. This could be eliminated when using a Lumagen because the Lumagen could be configured to tell the player it only accepted YCrCb 4:2:2. Not all device will respond to that, but the Toshiba's did.
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| dbaisey wrote: | | I just heard the Oppo 983H has great SD upconversion on its own and from a person that had the 980 before. |
I'll second this. I just got to check one of these out. Video deinterlacing is very good (not that you watch much video on 5" disc). The upscaling is also really good. I'm a "pursist" that digs DVDs at 1440x960/72, but if you don't mind 1080p/60 (or the other "standard" resolutions), this player looks awesome.
I just wonder how much market there is for a $400 DVD player with SD on the way out and HD on the way in. As you point out, most of the BD players are going to have upconverting almost as good and they cost about the same--plus you get to play HD!
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Hope he doesn't mind but a quote from the Oppo end user:
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If you are planning an upgrade to the best standard DVD up-converting player available, get the new Oppo 983H, which I just did. It is amazingly sharp, clear, and artifact-free---picture seems almost as good as HD from my HDDVD and BlueRay players. They can’t get better than this!
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Now this might be the quality of what is coming out from transfers in high def, I have seen some that don't even make it to SD quality if your a old school movie fan. For those SD seems to hold its own. Doug
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No, I'd say it is pretty accurate. Of the things I looked at, I looked at Spiderman 3 on the 983 (which is a really good SD transfer). It was quite impressive.
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The HDMI was a NEC ISS HDMI Moome card that had the EDID updated and the output card was completely gone through by Marc (Tinman) and recapped so there shouldn't be any false positives on this. Sorry if this is off subject but 'its what it is' Doug
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