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Spanky Ham



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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject:

Person99 wrote:
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They were selling their DLPs into the custom installer market. Pretty much trying to compete with Runco and use that type of model. It seems like there are only enough suckers in this world to support 1 scam company of each type in the space (e.g. Runco for equipment, Moster for cables, etc).


I know what your saying about Runco, but I don't put them in the same league as Monster.


$6000 for a black paint job and a 12v trigger--you don't think that is the same kind of scamming Monster does? I'll grant you, they don't do the legal bull**** of Monster, but the business plan is the same: artificially inflate prices and sell to the uninformed.


From what I always understood, it was more about the business model. Give a customer a HT specific product with excellent service and support. If this is correct and they followed through with this model, then yes I think that is better than Monster. To me, Monster is worse than Bose. All Monster does is inflate prices on marginal prices and attack anyone who says their products aren't that great.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject:

Spanky Ham wrote:
Person99 wrote:
Spanky Ham wrote:
Person99 wrote:
They were selling their DLPs into the custom installer market. Pretty much trying to compete with Runco and use that type of model. It seems like there are only enough suckers in this world to support 1 scam company of each type in the space (e.g. Runco for equipment, Moster for cables, etc).


I know what your saying about Runco, but I don't put them in the same league as Monster.


$6000 for a black paint job and a 12v trigger--you don't think that is the same kind of scamming Monster does? I'll grant you, they don't do the legal bull**** of Monster, but the business plan is the same: artificially inflate prices and sell to the uninformed.


From what I always understood, it was more about the business model. Give a customer a HT specific product with excellent service and support.


Largely true. But, as with Monster, there is a bit of deception mixed in. For instance, they claim they invented CIH in home theater. That is a lie. They repackage other's anamorphic lenses and misrepresent them as "exclusive Runco" products.

In my book liars are liars. Noel is a liar. Sam is a liar. You are talking about degrees here. Smile


Spanky Ham wrote:
To me, Monster is worse than Bose. All Monster does is inflate prices on marginal prices and attack anyone who says their products aren't that great.


That's the "legal bull****" part of my post. Smile

But bear in mind, Sam has threatened legal actions against those that also point out their lies. So, Runco is really THAT much different that Monster? I'm not sold.

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Curt Palme
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject:

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As for Dwin, does this matter to anyone other than Curt and the two other Dwin owners? Shocked Now that Steve has ditched his Dwin are there any vocal Dwin owners out there?


Yes, there are still lots of CRT sets out there, working fine since they've been installed. I still get weekly emails through eBay of people that didn't know we here exist or that anyone serviced CRT projectors. I know of 4 DWINs in Vancouver alone that I didn't sell or have serviced yet. Considering DWIN had I think one dealer here in Vancouver that didn't move a lot of product, there's way more out there.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject:

And in some respects the Dwins might be better service opportunities for you than most CRTs. Us geek hobbyists can help you troubleshoot it to the board level, then pull & ship the appropriate board. But not all CRT owners are like that. I suspect a lot of Dwin owners aren't real technical, and the Dwin isn't as easy to get into -- but it's small enough that it's comparatively easy/cheap to drop it and ship it in for service.
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