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jarseneau
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What do you 1080p PC guys use for video card settings? Do you use the advanced settings under the resolution setup or something else?
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Mark_A_W
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Powerstrip - I have an ATi card.
If you have an Nvidia card I think you can use Rivatuner (the Nvidia custom resolution controls are pox).
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rickycleung
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Does the image foldover issue when feeding 1080P/i signal happen to other crt projector such as Marquee? Or it is only happened in NEC projector.
IMO,it isn't worth to invest in expensive standalone scaler now. I bought a used old crystalio VP2300 for my SD DVD playback years ago. Toshiba HD E1 dvd player outputs 1080i signal to crystalio for upscaling to 1080p 60hz signal and sending to XG135 via RGBHV. VP2300 has limitation in processing digital HDMI/DVI signal. It won't accept 1080P signal. I'm considering HTPC too but I hardly understand those drivers, filters' configuration of HTPC. So I yet to have a good BD playback.
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Mark_A_W
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Yes and no. It depends on the retrace time I think.
Sony G series are less sensitive. I don't know about Marquees.
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tomgilmartin
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| Mark_A_W wrote: | | rickycleung wrote: | | Quote: | So it looks like it is down to either BR not being compatible with the XG in 720 or 1080p mode or the older and perhaps the new Moome DVI cards not being compatible.
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I don't think it is the compatible issue of Moome DVI card(New or Old). I read that when feeding a 1080i/p signal to XG135,the image foldover on both sides is caused by the short retrace time of XG135. It can be solved by adjusting the timing and porch settings of HTPC or standalone scaler.
Same as Mike, I found that the 1080i interlace field is very distracting at 60Hz. |
Bang on Ricky. It's a timing issue combined with retrace (not short enough). I think the Moome card is irrelevant.
As for 1080i 60hz, well, try 1080i 96hz instead  |
Okay, so...
What timings / porch settings are used in an HTPC that work?
What are the timings/settings coming out of the PS3 or other devices that don't work?
This is killing me, even if it doesn't really increase the viewing experience, I WANT 1080P! JUST BECAUSE I CAN (or should be able to...)!!
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Mark_A_W
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1080p at what refresh rate?
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MikeEby
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Here is a 1080p@72Hz timing I use with positive sync. Yes the pixel clock is very high, but I still manage the 1:1 pattern below. The pattern @60Hz is slightly better but the motion Judder IMO is really bad. I have a slight amount of gullwing at the top, maybe 3/16" on a 8' wide screen.
BTW this is all analog, (RGBHV) out of the ATI/Asus 3850 no Moome or Fury. I do have a Box 1021 in the signal path for a gamma boost.
And a couple screen shots from the HD-DVD GranPrix. 
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rickycleung
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I hook up XG1350 with a Crystalio I scaler. The 1080P timing are:
1920 x 1080 @ 60.05Hz (True 59.94Hz)
Horizontal total active 1920
Horizontal front porch 057
Horizontal sync width 096
Horizontal back porch 184
Vertical refresh rate 060.05Hz
Vertical lines 1080
Vertical front porch 003
Vertical sync width 005
Vertical back porch 032
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tomgilmartin
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| rickycleung wrote: | I hook up XG1350 with a Crystalio I scaler. The 1080P timing are:
1920 x 1080 @ 60.05Hz (True 59.94Hz)
Horizontal total active 1920
Horizontal front porch 057
Horizontal sync width 096
Horizontal back porch 184
Vertical refresh rate 060.05Hz
Vertical lines 1080
Vertical front porch 003
Vertical sync width 005
Vertical back porch 032
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Mike Eby's timings:
1920 x 1080 @ 71.928Hz
Horizontal total active 1920
Horizontal front porch 076
Horizontal sync width 222
Horizontal back porch 188
Vertical refresh rate 071.928Hz
Vertical lines 1080
Vertical front porch 026
Vertical sync width 015
Vertical back porch 201
Tom's comment:
These 2 timings seem quite different to me. Does anyone have something to tell what the timing coming out of the PS3 is so we can compare to these?
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dpr_d
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Does anyone know if the DVDO Edge will correct this problem of Image Wrap and streaking? I have finally picked up a Sony BDP-S550 and have an NEC XG-135LC and Moome HDMI Card for it. I am hoping that the DVDO Edge will work fine by changing the sync rate and I won't need the VP50Pro.
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dpr_d
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Does anyone know if the DVDO Edge will correct this problem of Image Wrap and streaking? I am hoping that the DVDO Edge will work fine by changing the sync rate and I won't need the VP50Pro. A $600 box is reasonable to clean this up, allow switching and do a lot more HDMI cleanup.
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rickycleung
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I've no experience on DVDO Edge.Some members here mentioned that the Image Alignment Correction feature(IAC) of BOX1020 RGB to component can solve image wrap problem. You may do a search to check it out.
http://www.curtpalme.com/Box1020.shtm
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MikeEby
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I looked through the DVDO EDGE manual and I see nothing about custom timings, this is what is required to solve the folder over issue.
Below is a link to the manual.
http://syndicate.sellpoint.net/Syndicate/AssetRedirect?tt_aq=0-79625-273067-1040&ext_url=false&go=%2F__FileManager__%2FOrg_100_4632%2F19612%2F19613%2FEDGE_Product_Manual.pdf
One option would be a VP50 non-pro. Right now you can find refurbished units for $699.
http://www.secondact.com/product/VP50RB?meta=googlebase
Here are the differences between the Pro and non-Pro, I don't see anything there thats a show stopper.
The iScan VP50PRO offers these additional features, above and beyond the features of the iScan VP50:
Mosquito Noise Reduction - Reduces random noise which appears along the edges of compressed images.
Fine Detail Enhancement - Extracts fine detail in low resolution or compressed images
Edge Enhancement - Sharpens edges without adding ringing
Two Programmable 12V Triggers
THX Video Certification - The First and Only Processor to earn this Certification
ISF ccc Certification
Enhanced Anamorphic Lens Support
Upgradeable to HD-SDI (with Optional Input Module)
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energeezer
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I'm now running a Lumagen DVI. Dirt cheap but allows custom timings and HD input over DVI including 1080p/24 input. Image folding problem solved. The DVI will not output 1080p but it will do 1920X817 which is about all the XG will handle anyway.
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yonexsp
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| MikeEby wrote: | | energeezer wrote: | | Bert Randolph wrote: | Moome is innocent, as it also happens when using an xbox 360 with vga. no moome involved at all there
Daniel. |
Thats kind of what I suspected.
It does mean that one needs a hugely expensive scaler to use the NEC to its full potential with BR. Have you checked the prices of scalers which will process 1080p or even 1080i and feature motion adaptive de-interlacing? If one does not already own one it brings into question the whole validity of the continued use of CRT when some of the digitals are approacing CRT quality. (some say they are already surpassed but I'm not one of those people)
On the other hand 1080i looks good - just not as good as 1080p on a well set up XG LC.
Bummer. |
Believe me I weighed all the options when I finally decided I to upgrade my HTPC for Blu-ray, this was early on after fighting to get HDMI / Moome to work with my Toshiba HD-DVD player and all the EDID issues & crush blacks. Finally went back to analog (RGBHV) 1080p on the HTPC with custom timings and haven’t looked back, it just works! IMO Vista added even more stability to HD playback that was some-what lacking in XP although other have good luck with XP.
I recently priced out a Blu-ray equipped HTPC for a customer and the bill of materials came to under $600 including Vista, I don’t need a Moome or a HDFury so the net cost is not much more than a PS3 + D/A converter solution. There was an added plus I get 72Hz refresh something even a high end scaler cannot do.
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Mike, what Software DVD player do you use for Regular DVD? I find that PDVD is great for HD DVD & BD, but horrible for DVD. I am forced to use a XDE500 for DVD, but have sh-itty issues with my old moome card with HDMI issues, meaning I have to pull the card in and out to get it to connect properly.
K./
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MikeEby
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This might sound silly but I have not watched an SD-DVD for over a year. They just look so bad, I think if I really wanted to watch one I would probably setup a 720p input and watch it that way. I'm not sure that PDVD is that bad but our standards now are much higher.
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yonexsp
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| MikeEby wrote: | I looked through the DVDO EDGE manual and I see nothing about custom timings, this is what is required to solve the folder over issue.
Below is a link to the manual.
http://syndicate.sellpoint.net/Syndicate/AssetRedirect?tt_aq=0-79625-273067-1040&ext_url=false&go=%2F__FileManager__%2FOrg_100_4632%2F19612%2F19613%2FEDGE_Product_Manual.pdf
One option would be a VP50 non-pro. Right now you can find refurbished units for $699.
http://www.secondact.com/product/VP50RB?meta=googlebase
Here are the differences between the Pro and non-Pro, I don't see anything there thats a show stopper.
The iScan VP50PRO offers these additional features, above and beyond the features of the iScan VP50:
Mosquito Noise Reduction - Reduces random noise which appears along the edges of compressed images.
Fine Detail Enhancement - Extracts fine detail in low resolution or compressed images
Edge Enhancement - Sharpens edges without adding ringing
Two Programmable 12V Triggers
THX Video Certification - The First and Only Processor to earn this Certification
ISF ccc Certification
Enhanced Anamorphic Lens Support
Upgradeable to HD-SDI (with Optional Input Module)
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Do you still need a hdmi stripper with the VP50 if you want to output over RGBHV?
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MikeEby
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Do you still need a hdmi stripper with the VP50 if you want to output over RGBHV? |
For Blu-ray yes.
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yonexsp
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| MikeEby wrote: | | yonexsp wrote: |
Do you still need a hdmi stripper with the VP50 if you want to output over RGBHV? |
For Blu-ray yes.
Mike |
HTPC it is then. Solves pretty much most of my problems.
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MikeEby
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| yonexsp wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | | yonexsp wrote: |
Do you still need a hdmi stripper with the VP50 if you want to output over RGBHV? |
For Blu-ray yes.
Mike |
HTPC it is then. Solves pretty much most of my problems. |
If you do pop for some type of remote.
This one will work with Vista Media Center or PowerDVD and is RF. Save a lot of fiddling around with a mouse or trackball. I rarely use my RF Keyboard & trackball, PowerDVD starts when you pop in a BD then just use the remote. Most of the problems with PowerDVD seem to come from when you try to navigate a disk with the mouse or keyboard.
http://www.amazon.com/Keyspan-ER-V2-Remote-Windows-Vista/dp/B000S69336/curtpalmecrtp-20
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