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CRT_Ben
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Why, it's a brand-new technology that uses the best of both: DLCoSP.
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ecrabb
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Screw LCD, DLP, LCoS, or SXRD. I want a projector based on 'o them new ESP chips. Who needs a dark room and a screen when you can just CLOSE your eyes and SEE the movie.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ecrabb wrote: | Screw LCD, DLP, LCoS, or SXRD. I want a projector based on 'o them new ESP chips. Who needs a dark room and a screen when you can just CLOSE your eyes and SEE the movie.
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I think you mistyped. That would be EcStacY chips, or ESY. 
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perisoft
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
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Location: Ithaca, NY
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Person99 wrote: | | CRT_Ben wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
So, you still think it's a ripoff? |
Yes. Just because they need to mark it up that high to cover R+D and costs, does not make it a good idea. I can buy a much better player and projector for <$1200. So, from a cosumer perpective, I'm paying $1800 more to have an inferior projector and player put in a stupid case. Yes, that is the VERY definition of ripoff! |
You're coming at it from the completely wrong direction. This isn't intended to replace a home theater projector, where you invite your friends and sit down and watch a movie with quality A/V presentation. This product, with a mediocre projector and "virtual surround", but stunning physical presentation, is meant for the rich, star-wars loving kids who would like nothing better than to project princess Leia's plea message on the floor, or more likely, the bronze bikini from ep. 6. The intended audience isn't the home theater crowd, and this is apparent by the amount of time spent on showing the physical appearance of the product vs. projected images. |
I get it, it is just stupid. Some of those other "whip out and set up a theater" devices are WAAAAY cheaper. Having it in an R2-D2 body is not that great. In other words, this is about as useless as a pet rock. But at least the pet rock didn't cost $3000. |
Well, all you're really saying is that any product you don't like is a rip off. It's a rip off for YOU, because it's worth less to you than it costs. For somebody who wants it, it's not.
To me, ripoff means, "exorbitant margins over costs" and I'm not seeing that.
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perisoft
Joined: 29 Aug 2007
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| Clarence wrote: | | They also offer the CRT version in a full-size AT-AT... |
Wait a minute - isn't that just a stock Marquee 8500? 
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Person99
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| perisoft wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | CRT_Ben wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
So, you still think it's a ripoff? |
Yes. Just because they need to mark it up that high to cover R+D and costs, does not make it a good idea. I can buy a much better player and projector for <$1200. So, from a cosumer perpective, I'm paying $1800 more to have an inferior projector and player put in a stupid case. Yes, that is the VERY definition of ripoff! |
You're coming at it from the completely wrong direction. This isn't intended to replace a home theater projector, where you invite your friends and sit down and watch a movie with quality A/V presentation. This product, with a mediocre projector and "virtual surround", but stunning physical presentation, is meant for the rich, star-wars loving kids who would like nothing better than to project princess Leia's plea message on the floor, or more likely, the bronze bikini from ep. 6. The intended audience isn't the home theater crowd, and this is apparent by the amount of time spent on showing the physical appearance of the product vs. projected images. |
I get it, it is just stupid. Some of those other "whip out and set up a theater" devices are WAAAAY cheaper. Having it in an R2-D2 body is not that great. In other words, this is about as useless as a pet rock. But at least the pet rock didn't cost $3000. |
Well, all you're really saying is that any product you don't like is a rip off. It's a rip off for YOU, because it's worth less to you than it costs. For somebody who wants it, it's not.
To me, ripoff means, "exorbitant margins over costs" and I'm not seeing that. |
Not really. I could built a car that costs $500,000 to produce due to its limited market. Lets also say it is not better than a $14,000 Kia, but it comes in a color that the Kia does not. I then sell it with a margin of $1 for $500,001. It certainly does not have an exorbitant margin over cost, yet it is still a ripoff.
That car like this is a ripoff by any sensible measure. It only falls into the "collector" space, but not the smart collectors. Because smart collectors collect:
1) Things they like, and
2) Things that have a reasonable expectation of increasing in value.
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perisoft
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| Person99 wrote: | | perisoft wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | CRT_Ben wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | perisoft wrote: |
So, you still think it's a ripoff? |
Yes. Just because they need to mark it up that high to cover R+D and costs, does not make it a good idea. I can buy a much better player and projector for <$1200. So, from a cosumer perpective, I'm paying $1800 more to have an inferior projector and player put in a stupid case. Yes, that is the VERY definition of ripoff! |
You're coming at it from the completely wrong direction. This isn't intended to replace a home theater projector, where you invite your friends and sit down and watch a movie with quality A/V presentation. This product, with a mediocre projector and "virtual surround", but stunning physical presentation, is meant for the rich, star-wars loving kids who would like nothing better than to project princess Leia's plea message on the floor, or more likely, the bronze bikini from ep. 6. The intended audience isn't the home theater crowd, and this is apparent by the amount of time spent on showing the physical appearance of the product vs. projected images. |
I get it, it is just stupid. Some of those other "whip out and set up a theater" devices are WAAAAY cheaper. Having it in an R2-D2 body is not that great. In other words, this is about as useless as a pet rock. But at least the pet rock didn't cost $3000. |
Well, all you're really saying is that any product you don't like is a rip off. It's a rip off for YOU, because it's worth less to you than it costs. For somebody who wants it, it's not.
To me, ripoff means, "exorbitant margins over costs" and I'm not seeing that. |
Not really. I could built a car that costs $500,000 to produce due to its limited market. Lets also say it is not better than a $14,000 Kia, but it comes in a color that the Kia does not. I then sell it with a margin of $1 for $500,001. It certainly does not have an exorbitant margin over cost, yet it is still a ripoff.
That car like this is a ripoff by any sensible measure. It only falls into the "collector" space, but not the smart collectors. Because smart collectors collect:
1) Things they like, and
2) Things that have a reasonable expectation of increasing in value. |
You have a good point, but I don't think it's a *ripoff*. It may be a really lousy product, but not a ripoff - like I said, ripoff to me means something done with the intent to extract a huge profit. Selling a $500k car for $500k+1 doesn't do that. It's nonsensical, but not a ripoff:
From m-w.com:
"Main Entry:
rip–off
Pronunciation:
\ˈrip-ˌȯf\
Function:
noun
Date:
1969
1: an act or instance of stealing : theft; also : a financial exploitation
2: a usually cheap exploitive imitation"
The $500k+1 car isn't financial exploitation unless the seller uses deception to convince the buyer that he can't get a $14k version elsewhere. Even then, since the financial motivation for the seller is basically nonexistent, I don't think it qualifies.
Is that pedantic enough for you? 
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Angus_rg
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I'd never buy it. This R2 unit has a bad motivator.
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perisoft
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| Angus_rg wrote: | | I'd never buy it. This R2 unit has a bad motivator. |
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mack1
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And now you know how the West Koreans corner the market.It,s really a spy.It rolls around your house while your at work stealing your secrects----no wait--your ideas and uploads them to thier research department
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Angus_rg wrote: | | I'd never buy it. This R2 unit has a bad motivator. |
Hey! What are you trying to sell us here? We'll take the blue one.
This is a very cool toy. I love it.
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Angus_rg
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| AnalogRocks wrote: |
Hey! What are you trying to sell us here? We'll take the blue one.
This is a very cool toy. I love it. |
Take that thing down to Anchorhead and have its memory erased. Better yet, they should gut him and put a CRT in.
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Angus_rg
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| MYoung wrote: | | Lamp Destroyer... |
You know, some plywood, some unused models and spray paint, you may have a genius money making idea for a hush box. I don't even need a hush box, and I'm tempted.
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dculberson
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| perisoft wrote: | | Well, let's see - retail is 5x cost, usually. |
You are insane. That isn't true in any industries I know of. We're talking about the manufacturer, who is a direct-to-consumer seller in this case. Apple has the best margins in the industry and they top out at 50%. Meaning retail is 1.5x cost.
What world did you get the 5x cost figure from?
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dculberson
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| Joust wrote: | i like it. but I hate digital projectors.
we should build a new one. a BIG one and put a CRT projector in it. of course it'll have three eyes....
maybe build it into the power droid.
R5-D4 has three eyes, but he keeps blowing a gasket. maybe we'll have to put an Ampro in it  |
We could use one of the old Electrohome ECP's that have an internal prism that joins the three tubes into one lens. It would make an R2 on an incredible scale, though; I think those things were over 3' wide. I know someone that's got one in his basement. Something about 640x480 doesn't seem worth it, though. 
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rpruen
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If that thing is battery powered then most of the cost is going to be battery. If it has the ability to show one DVD on a charge, then that is like leaving your car headlights on, plus front fogs for 3 hours. If the lamp is 250W then it's going to need 63AH of useable battery capacity, so if you don't want to kill the battery in a month, say 180AH is the minimum you can get away with.
If not, then it's going to be a lot less fun if trailing a power cord.
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