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Curt Palme
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Spanky, did you see the back of his (audio) rack? From the pix on his thread, the wiring looked to be a mess.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Spanky, did you see the back of his (audio) rack? From the pix on his thread, the wiring looked to be a mess. |
No, he didn't really give me a chance. I am not sure how you could see it. It was in a closet facing the door. It was almost like the closet was just big enough to house the equipment. I am not sure how you get to the pj, either. I guess you would have to go through the closet, but in order to do that requires removing the equipment.
I should add that what I really want to experience is the TRW. A truly innovative product that does seem to justify its cost.
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Person99
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| drice1234 wrote: |
Thanks Dave.  |
Blame the goofy non-American English speakers. 
You will notice that "z" spelling is listed first so is the more common/preferred spelling.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I edited my review post.
"edit - One thing I want to add is that seeing this pj was great, but I would love to A/B it. I was thinking that a blend might be a good option to compete with this setup. With the size of the screen (15 ft?), I don't think a blend could match the brightness. It would be interesting if it could match or beat it in overall presentation though. Considering the cost of the Barco, it would be possible to try a Torus and the accompanying complexity that goes along with it."
Looking at it, you could do 9" blended pjs with LUGs and the TVone for under $20k. I wonder how many here would prefer that to the $50k - $100k Barco DLP.
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MikeEby
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: |
Looking at it, you could do 9" blended pjs with LUGs and the TVone for under $20k. I wonder how many here would prefer that to the $50k - $100k Barco DLP. |
I would!
Just for fun here is the SUPERKONTRAST
Here is my stingy poor folks CRT with a little too much blue in the grayscale.
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overclkr
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | I edited my review post.
"edit - One thing I want to add is that seeing this pj was great, but I would love to A/B it. I was thinking that a blend might be a good option to compete with this setup. With the size of the screen (15 ft?), I don't think a blend could match the brightness. It would be interesting if it could match or beat it in overall presentation though. Considering the cost of the Barco, it would be possible to try a Torus and the accompanying complexity that goes along with it."
Looking at it, you could do 9" blended pjs with LUGs and the TVone for under $20k. I wonder how many here would prefer that to the $50k - $100k Barco DLP. |
The only drawback of CRT when it comes to setups like these is screen size. If you ask me, 12ft is the MAX and that is pushing it.
I'm not a fan at all of torus so that is out of the question for me.
This whole fiasco has really made me re-think my attitude and behavior lately though and I really need to learn to not take this hobby so personally.
It's been a great ride fo sho and I apologize for any offense taken from this thread.
Cliffy
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overclkr
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overclkr
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A quote from the prick Peter:
"*I made the mistake to show a low budget CRT CR fanatic the Barco Install without realizing a thick layer of dust on the port glass and the lens- see my post CLEANING THE GLASS-apparently he later went on gossiping to Art. I must confess that during the hasty presentation the image had softened a bit to me.
Well lesson learned , clean all the glasses in the optical path before you show your projector to people with clear agendas (in this case a CRT video communist). Better yet don't show them at all. Like my dear old client General Pinochet said, "the only good communist..."
[A CRT video communist is a low budget user who begrudges the fact that it will take him such and such years to own a superior Digital Cinema rig and therefore concentrates on theoretical achilles heels, out of the emotional need to reinforce his self value]. Sad but true."
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Curt Palme
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Cliff, you sure like disturbing the shite over there.
WE're used to it here..
I am just ignoring Peter. After my request of him to post a pix showing the back of the rack got deleted, I 'got the picture'. Go check out his pix of the Superkontrast projector with cables running everywhere. No matter how well he knows how to set up projectors and walk the walk, any install is only as good as your weakest link. To me, from what I can tell, that would be his wiring techniques.
Give me an installation that's well executed with a slightly lower end projector but will last for years as things don't fall apart over time to a high end install that's poorly installed any day.
Pete can obviously walk the walk, and he's proud of that. Let him be, he won't ever be anything more than a smallish installation company.
Neither will I for that matter, but been there, done that, I don't want the headaches!
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overclkr
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| Curt Palme wrote: | Cliff, you sure like disturbing the shite over there.
WE're used to it here..
I am just ignoring Peter. After my request of him to post a pix showing the back of the rack got deleted, I 'got the picture'. Go check out his pix of the Superkontrast projector with cables running everywhere. No matter how well he knows how to set up projectors and walk the walk, any install is only as good as your weakest link. To me, from what I can tell, that would be his wiring techniques.
Give me an installation that's well executed with a slightly lower end projector but will last for years as things don't fall apart over time to a high end install that's poorly installed any day.
Pete can obviously walk the walk, and he's proud of that. Let him be, he won't ever be anything more than a smallish installation company.
Neither will I for that matter, but been there, done that, I don't want the headaches! |
I don't know what you think big dog, but this IS NO HIGH END INSTALLATION. It's more like WASTED MONEY. The design is down right sh*t.
Cliff
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Curt Palme
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Yeah, but to HIS customer it's a high end installation.
Ever talk to someone that's wasted their money completely, then you have to listen to their drivel about how wonderful their HT/car/wife/house/stereo is?
A long time ago I figured that I could change the minds of these people, trade in what they have, spend a tiny bit more and give them something that's 200% better. It never worked. (especially with the wife thing!).
I've tried doing this specifically with some gov't installs, where their new sound system sounds like sh*t compared to the 20 year old one they've yanked out. But try telling a gov't worker (an oxymoron in itself) that they have mis-spent taxpayer's money, and they'll throw you out of the building and blacklist you from future bidding. Trust me, it's happened. Not to me, but select others that had the same ideas I had.
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AnalogRocks
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LOL you siht disturber.
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I Had to save this post before Alan of the guy with the gun cleaned it up.
Cliff you are the MAN !!!! Love Ya dude!!!!
START OF ORIGINAL POST ON AVS THAT WILL BE GONE SOON>
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX
A CRT video communist is a low budget user who begrudges the fact that it will take him such and such years to own a superior Digital Cinema rig and therefore concentrates on theoretical achilles heels, out of the emotional need to reinforce his self value. Sad but true |
I've had it with your big ass mouth and your insults. You are a JOKE.
SUPERKONTRAST? Hmmmmm.......
I've got your contrast right here at the FIRST ROW in my theater 10FT away from my 10FT WIDE SMX pumping 80K to one if not higher on/off contrast at 10 foot lamberts in my FULLY LIGHT CONTROLLED ROOM. Yep, 10 FOOT LAMBERTS and couldn't be happier! You couldn't pay me to put that crappy ass 4000 to one contrast of yours in MY LIGHT CONTROLLED ROOM.
"I've got all of the answers to digital!!!!!! Let me BLIND YOU so that you can't see how crappy my SUPERKONTRAST really is!!!!!!!"
Hmmmmm, let me buy this expensive ass projector that is designed for much bigger screens and dummy it down by crippling it's light output and putting it in a room THAT ISN'T EVEN LIGHT CONTROLLED. SMART!!!!!!!!
SCREEN SHOT OF THE YEAR!!!! I love looking at REFLECTIONS all over the place when I'm watching a movie. Distraction is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE!
Yep, thats right, when my LIGHT CONTROLLED ROOM goes dark, I cannot see my hand in front of my face! LOW APL reproduction on my stack is only something you can DREAM of. Oh yeah, and it's NOT DULL AND DRAB. It's one of the FINEST front projection setups on the PLANET and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now.
Gotta also love that FULL HDMI video path next to my VP50 and ALL LOSSLESS audio codecs on a sound system that kicks so much ass that audiophile Ken Whitcomb sits down and says "damn that sounds good".
"Honey is that Peter again spewing his garbage to everyone? Slamming every front projection technology in existance except for his "Helene"? WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Hi my name is Peter and I love slamming the HT5000 as well!!!!!!!
What an absolute bunch of crap that can spew from what you call your mouth Peter.
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Options and Trades? There has been None ! Zero! Zilch!
It has been your way or the highway for way too long, until Helene. If it wasn't for a bit of independent thinking the entire generation of current forum members would be dead and their children would still be using YOUR STATUS QUO APPROACH.
Minimum seating distance for smpte for a movie theater not for an Expert Viewing Environ. Who is the Idiot? Oh wait I know who that person was. Never mind
When are you going to stop living your hobby by the rules and dictates of people you don't even know and whose judgement is clearly questionable? If someone wrote a rule for it ... it is a good reason to investigate an intelligent alternative, as that is the way progress works.
Quite frankly your list of preconceptions bodes poorly for my chances of enlightening you with a single visit to Helene. At this point I feel you need as many diverse demonstrations of the servo zoom lens method on a hacked DCI projector to shock you out of your denial. Perf, Torus and white wall, because you obviously dislike the screen in Helene based on your previous comments. Anyone with corrected vision will see the woven pattern from the front row (your smpte thingy),as to pixel resolvability it's there if you squint but it is a very nice picture, and I specifically did not design for the front row, so such a nice picture is a payout. I always said that the front row in Helene is for children. Interestingly children can be very savy visually and will gravitate to the center row as I have later found out.
And then ALL OF YOUR POINTS are MOOT, because of the damn Wop projector of yours, whose colors are intolerable.
And one more thing...
Bitchin about this: "and a long cumbersome AR transition " is sooo gay that it makes Liberace look butch.
It's like you have a little notepad critcizing a product that is clearly in development- every step of the way. Will you shut up about it until you see it, when it is ready for your critical review, your highness. Darn. |
I think it is YOU PETER who is TAKING THE "IT IS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY" APPROACH! GET A LIFE!!!!!
If your setup is so kick ass and so SUPERKONTRAST then what the hell are you doing in AVS? Everybody and their MOTHER should be lining up to have a theater built by you. Oh yeah, I forgot, they don't want to bother because you would rather SPEND ALL OF YOUR TIME AT AVS SPEWING GARBAGE.
Cliff
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overclkr
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I Had to save this post before Alan of the guy with the gun cleaned it up.
Cliff you are the MAN !!!! Love Ya dude!!!! |
Thanks for backing that up for me big dog!!!!!!!
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MikeEby
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Wow took a nice afternoon nap and missed all the fireworks. WTG Cliff...at least it was there for a short time.
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Spanky Ham
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| overclkr wrote: | A quote from the prick Peter:
"*I made the mistake to show a low budget CRT CR fanatic the Barco Install without realizing a thick layer of dust on the port glass and the lens- see my post CLEANING THE GLASS-apparently he later went on gossiping to Art. I must confess that during the hasty presentation the image had softened a bit to me.
Well lesson learned , clean all the glasses in the optical path before you show your projector to people with clear agendas (in this case a CRT video communist). Better yet don't show them at all. Like my dear old client General Pinochet said, "the only good communist..."
[A CRT video communist is a low budget user who begrudges the fact that it will take him such and such years to own a superior Digital Cinema rig and therefore concentrates on theoretical achilles heels, out of the emotional need to reinforce his self value]. Sad but true." |
If he is talking about me, then I am going to be just a little pissed. Let's get one thing out of the way, I have never communicated with Art via PM, email, snail mail or phone. So I am hoping that he is talking about someone else.
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overclkr
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| MikeEby wrote: | Wow took a nice afternoon nap and missed all the fireworks. WTG Cliff...at least it was there for a short time.
Mike |
I wish I could have taken a nap today!
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overclkr
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | overclkr wrote: | A quote from the prick Peter:
"*I made the mistake to show a low budget CRT CR fanatic the Barco Install without realizing a thick layer of dust on the port glass and the lens- see my post CLEANING THE GLASS-apparently he later went on gossiping to Art. I must confess that during the hasty presentation the image had softened a bit to me.
Well lesson learned , clean all the glasses in the optical path before you show your projector to people with clear agendas (in this case a CRT video communist). Better yet don't show them at all. Like my dear old client General Pinochet said, "the only good communist..."
[A CRT video communist is a low budget user who begrudges the fact that it will take him such and such years to own a superior Digital Cinema rig and therefore concentrates on theoretical achilles heels, out of the emotional need to reinforce his self value]. Sad but true." |
If he is talking about me, then I am going to be just a little pissed. Let's get one thing out of the way, I have never communicated with Art via PM, email, snail mail or phone. So I am hoping that he is talking about someone else. |
It would be extremely rude if true, but wouldn't suprise me with that trash talking of his.
Cliff
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AnalogRocks
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Spanky Ham wrote: | | I have never communicated with Art via PM, email, snail mail or phone. So I am hoping that he is talking about someone else. |
How about tin can and string, telagraph, search light, sign language or smoke signal's then 
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