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tommo2
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Its been deleted already, what a bunch of pricks...
The post was:
"Quote (Sonynut): There's a new rule here.. no price talk..... Unquote"
Tommo2 wrote: Rules, rules and more rules... It's like being at school. This place really is turning into a depressing dump!
Talk about over-moderated. It is a dump.
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DonKellogg
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Cliff testing waters, nah, it's just his nature. He's one of the few nutz cases that makes me almost look sane. But I wouldn't want it any other way, he's a real person.
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Person99
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | No I see why and it should have been removed if you would have quoted my entire quote you had have seen it was the way it was removed that i disagreed with, Cliff is a well known and long time member of the forum he should have recieved an email asking him to edit the post not have it removed, I think that would have shown more Character and Given Cliff an opportunity to apologize and do the right thing as I am sure Cliff would have done.
but thats just my opinion and other will have theirs fair enough.
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Given the volume of posts and traffic AVS has, that is just not practical--especially when you are dealing with people who should be old enough and around long enough to know better. Sorry, I would not waste time explaining the pitifully obvious to a 30-something year old adult!
Hell, I think Curt is crazy for allowing it here. It degrades the appearance of his business and significantly tarnishes the appearance of his business as a professional enterprise. I would not be surprised if it cost him considerably more sales than it made him.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Person99 wrote: |
Hell, I think Curt is crazy for allowing it here. It degrades the appearance of his business and significantly tarnishes the appearance of his business as a professional enterprise. I would not be surprised if it cost him considerably more sales than it made him. |
I thought about it way back when, disallowing scantily clad women, but then look at to who this forum is catering to. Typically 20-40-something-ish men.
I know of 4 women that have looked at the forum. My current g/f, who doesn't look unless I link her to something here, and she doesn't care. My ex g/f who posted pix herself. (not OF herself). A couple of women that have HTs, and I don't think either one has taken offense here.
Frankly, a lot of people miss this forum, and don't post until I link them to it, usually after the sale anyways.
So to me, the chances of offending some massively right wing uptight man that might stumble upon this site is slim to none. The rules have been made as to nudity, and as with other lack of censorship required on the forum here, I think everyone is in line. Heck, some of the discussions about war, the US and religion are more likely to offend people reading here IMHO.
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I would not waste time explaining the pitifully obvious to a 30-something year old adult! |
I'll be 42 in July  I own a restaurant and conduct my buisness much the same way Curt runs his, If i can not have fun doing what I do I will do something else. My buisness is doing well despite the 30 something restaurants that have opened up with in a 5 mile radius to my Place in the past 10 years. People come back because its a fun place to dine and they feel like part of family, even if its thier first time. If soem one comes in and doesn't get it then i do not want them as a customer, to complain to my help and make them misserable then taking it out on my other good customers who appreciate the laid back atmosphere .
But thats just my opinion and others will have theirs , fair enough. Oh did I say that already?
Curt this site kick some serious ASS !!!!!! ooops delete the bad word if its over the top.
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Person99
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Person99 wrote: |
Hell, I think Curt is crazy for allowing it here. It degrades the appearance of his business and significantly tarnishes the appearance of his business as a professional enterprise. I would not be surprised if it cost him considerably more sales than it made him. |
I thought about it way back when, disallowing scantily clad women, but then look at to who this forum is catering to. Typically 20-40-something-ish men.
I know of 4 women that have looked at the forum. My current g/f, who doesn't look unless I link her to something here, and she doesn't care. My ex g/f who posted pix herself. (not OF herself). A couple of women that have HTs, and I don't think either one has taken offense here. |
Actually you miss my point in two ways. First, I find it sort of sad that you think the only one who "should" be offended is a woman. That it should be fine to 20-40-simething-ish men. "Hey, THEY should have no problem with misogyny!" This is exactly like saying no one but black people should be offended by the "n" word. 
| Curt Palme wrote: | | So to me, the chances of offending some massively right wing uptight man that might stumble upon this site is slim to none. The rules have been made as to nudity, and as with other lack of censorship required on the forum here, I think everyone is in line. Heck, some of the discussions about war, the US and religion are more likely to offend people reading here IMHO. |
My point was not about offending someone. We are big boys and can "turn the channel" if we don't like it. My point was rather it makes the whole enterprise seem somewhat unprofessional.
As for those other topics, I would quite possibly disallow them also, or at least force them to be relegated to the off-topic forum so they can be avoided. Frankly, I almost completely avoid the off-topic forum because:
1) I have no desire to read Ron's homophobic, xenophobic, fascist rants, and
2) Reading such rants makes me literally quite sad, because:
a) As a people we truly have not come very far, and
b) It demonstrates how woefully inadequate the U.S. educational system is.
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I understand what you're saying, but IN GENERAL it would be women that are more offended than men regarding scantily clad images of women.
IN GENERAL also, I think I can assume that most men, aged 20-40 that are do it yourselfers that work on a home theater wouldn't be offended by some of the same images. GENERALLY speaking, men are visual creatures, they enjoy porn and/or titillating images.
I think you'd find the same images on forums let's say that are smallish in nature such as 4X 4ing, RVing, or any other DIY type of forum, whatever your interests are. at the same time you won't find Runco or avs allowing such images because of the size of the site, and the fact that they can charge big $$ for banner ads. Damn straight you'd find forum rules changing here if I could charge $5K for a banner ad..but then the whole forum would change, and people would leave and form their own.
That's also why I haven't deleted/modded any of the off topic discussions, but you certainly won't find me personally posting an opinion that would pigeonhole me into a tiny segment of the population when it comes to things outside of the HT realm. I'll be really opinionated when it comes to what you should and shouldn't do with video or audio, but I won't post a bunch of opinions on religion or race or something else that could just as easily offend someone.
But a little ribald humor along with some T&A pix that leave things up to the imagination, that will fly around here. Blantant nudity, Hustler or even Playboy style, is best left for 60% of the websites currently out there.
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emdawgz1
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| Curt Palme wrote: |
But a little ribald humor along with some T&A pix that leave things up to the imagination, that will fly around here. Blantant nudity, Hustler or even Playboy style, is best left for 60% of the websites currently out there. |
So i cant post my pic of the 3 ladies w/ a Goat and a curling iron?????
Curse You !!!!! 
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overclkr
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | but I won't post a bunch of opinions on religion or race or something else that could just as easily offend someone. |
CRACKER!!!!!!!!
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Curt Palme
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CRACKER!!!!!!!! |
Funny, they talked about this word on the radio a few months ago. What is the exact origin? Is it because crackers are white usually?
I don't take offense to that word at all. I"m German, dad fought on the 'other' side in WWII, but I wouldn't take offense if someone called me a Nazi either.
I've told a few people on this forum, call me, my family, my g/f stupid, ugly, fat, I don't care, it rolls right off me.
Tell me I'm a hack and that I have no idea what I'm doing with sound or video, and I'll come right back atcha..
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emdawgz1
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | overclkr wrote: |
CRACKER!!!!!!!! |
Funny, they talked about this word on the radio a few months ago. What is the exact origin? Is it because crackers are white usually?
I don't take offense to that word at all. I"m German, dad fought on the 'other' side in WWII, but I wouldn't take offense if someone called me a Nazi either.
I've told a few people on this forum, call me, my family, my g/f stupid, ugly, fat, I don't care, it rolls right off me.
Tell me I'm a hack and that I have no idea what I'm doing with sound or video, and I'll come right back atcha.. |
There are various theories concerning the origin of the term "cracker".
The term "cracker" was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack1 meaning "entertaining conversation" (One may be said to "crack" a joke); this term and the alternate spelling "craic" are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"
By the 1760s, this term was in use by the English in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish settlers in the south. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode". A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers) (p. 35).
Spaniards in Florida called them “Quáqueros,” a corruption of the English word “Quaker,” which the Spanish used to contemptuously refer to any Protestant. [1]
Other possible origins of the term "cracker" are linked to early Florida cattle herders (Florida crackers) that traditionally used whips to herd wild Spanish cattle. These cowboys were distinct from the Spanish vaqueros of Florida. The crack of the herders' whips could be heard for great distances when they were used to round cattle in pens and to keep the cows on a given track. Also, "cracker" has historically been used to refer to those engaged in the low paying job of cracking pecans and other nuts in Georgia and throughout the southeast U.S.
One theory claims that the term dates back to slavery in the antebellum South. The popular folk etymology is based on slaver foremen using bullwhips to discipline African and African American slaves, and the sound the whip being described as 'cracking the whip'. The foremen who cracked these whips were thus known as 'crackers'. [1][2][3]
According to the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, "cracker" is a term of contempt for the "poor" or "mean whites," particularly of Georgia and Florida. Britannica notes that the term dates back to the American Revolution, and is derived from the "cracked corn" which formed their staple food. [2] (Note that in British English "mean" is also a term for poverty, with no malice implied.)
Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the back country (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926: "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders', 'corn-crackers', or 'crackers'." [Kephard Highlanders]
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Nashou66
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emdawgz1
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Wow Emdawgz1 ! A scholar and a gentlemen! who would have thought !!
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EricO
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As I had previously heard from my grandfather, the slang term "Cracker" comes from the tin box saltine crackers used to come in. It would be flattened out and used to patch roofs, etc., on, shall we say, economically disadvantaged white folks homes during the depression. Ergo "Cracker box houses", meaning poorly or cheaply built, " thusly "Cracker" for the whites that lived in them. But all I know is that I don't get the least bit annoyed when I get called that or the other term I get called by some of my customers........HONKY! Now what the heck does that mean and where did that term come from (and moreover, why should I be insulted by it?). I believe the first time I heard that term was in a Richard Pryor stand up routine many moons ago.
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Person99
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | Curt Palme wrote: | | overclkr wrote: |
CRACKER!!!!!!!! |
Funny, they talked about this word on the radio a few months ago. What is the exact origin? Is it because crackers are white usually?
I don't take offense to that word at all. I"m German, dad fought on the 'other' side in WWII, but I wouldn't take offense if someone called me a Nazi either.
I've told a few people on this forum, call me, my family, my g/f stupid, ugly, fat, I don't care, it rolls right off me.
Tell me I'm a hack and that I have no idea what I'm doing with sound or video, and I'll come right back atcha.. |
There are various theories concerning the origin of the term "cracker".
The term "cracker" was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack1 meaning "entertaining conversation" (One may be said to "crack" a joke); this term and the alternate spelling "craic" are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"
By the 1760s, this term was in use by the English in the British North American colonies to refer to Scots-Irish settlers in the south. A letter to the Earl of Dartmouth reads: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode". A similar usage was that of Charles Darwin in The Origin of Species, to refer to "Virginia squatters" (illegal settlers) (p. 35).
Spaniards in Florida called them “Quáqueros,” a corruption of the English word “Quaker,” which the Spanish used to contemptuously refer to any Protestant. [1]
Other possible origins of the term "cracker" are linked to early Florida cattle herders (Florida crackers) that traditionally used whips to herd wild Spanish cattle. These cowboys were distinct from the Spanish vaqueros of Florida. The crack of the herders' whips could be heard for great distances when they were used to round cattle in pens and to keep the cows on a given track. Also, "cracker" has historically been used to refer to those engaged in the low paying job of cracking pecans and other nuts in Georgia and throughout the southeast U.S.
One theory claims that the term dates back to slavery in the antebellum South. The popular folk etymology is based on slaver foremen using bullwhips to discipline African and African American slaves, and the sound the whip being described as 'cracking the whip'. The foremen who cracked these whips were thus known as 'crackers'. [1][2][3]
According to the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, "cracker" is a term of contempt for the "poor" or "mean whites," particularly of Georgia and Florida. Britannica notes that the term dates back to the American Revolution, and is derived from the "cracked corn" which formed their staple food. [2] (Note that in British English "mean" is also a term for poverty, with no malice implied.)
Historically the word suggested poor, white rural Americans with little formal education. Historians point out the term originally referred to the strong Scots-Irish of the back country (as opposed to the English of the seacoast). Thus a sociologist reported in 1926: "As the plantations expanded these freed men (formerly bond servants) were pushed further and further back upon the more and more sterile soil. They became 'pinelanders', 'corn-crackers', or 'crackers'." [Kephard Highlanders] |
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