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MYoung
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| greg_mitch wrote: | | If it was the other way around, emdawgz would have rung the bell and said that HD DVD was done for! |
Exactly!!!
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MYoung
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| WanMan wrote: |
I see this as nothing fantastic. It would be like me filing a suit and seeking class action for my Toshiba HD-A2 locking up occasionally when I pop a disk into the unit. This Toshiba product is far from being refined. Its great when it works. Unfortunately, the operating effectiveness is far from being 100%. |
WanMan, if the operating effectiveness of your HD-A2 is 95% then my guess is that 5% of the time you're trying to play a Blu-ray disc on it! 
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MYoung
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| Link Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | #12 Digital Playground..... y'know Jesse Jane! |
Are Blu-ray players going to come with Scotchgard coupons now? Let me guess John, your carpet is already protected. 
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WanMan
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| MYoung wrote: | | WanMan wrote: |
I see this as nothing fantastic. It would be like me filing a suit and seeking class action for my Toshiba HD-A2 locking up occasionally when I pop a disk into the unit. This Toshiba product is far from being refined. Its great when it works. Unfortunately, the operating effectiveness is far from being 100%. |
WanMan, if the operating effectiveness of your HD-A2 is 95% then my guess is that 5% of the time you're trying to play a Blu-ray disc on it! |
You can joke all you want, but I have not yet had a Blu-ray player lock up on me whereas the Toshiba has done it more than once.
I prefer watching the movie and not shaking the Toshiba like a british nanny. 
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How can I write any intelligible response when Emdawg has got me dribbling all over my keyboard?
Kal.. LMAO 
Seriously though - the 'unknowns' shouldn't be - they are all major players. More to the point, collectively the impact on HD-DVD is more than significant. Remember those analysts? The ones we might not like - that we think are stupid and don't anything - they're the ones that CEOs of large studios listen to. Like Paramount. Universal.
Those analysts are influenced by such events. The overall effect means that more momentum for Bluray's already imminent victory. How can a format come back from where it is when it has a few titles coming out each month? Less than a handful - from studios who’s commitment is slipping rapidly.
I remember when I brought up that Warner was going to leave the HD-DVD fold and so many people came back with "no way.. they are totally behind HD-DVD"
Toshiba were going to do another Super Bowl ad next year, but they quickly realised that booking that in advance was silly because the format only has 6 months left in it
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greg_mitch
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | #12 Digital Playground..... y'know Jesse Jane! |
Ahhhh!!! My church going eyes have been blinded!!! 
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greg_mitch
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| kal wrote: | | greg_mitch wrote: | #5 Who???
#6 Who????
#11 Who??
#12 Who??
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I'm starting to understand why some of the HD-DVD supporters don't think HD-DVD is dead. They have no idea what's going on or the impact of what's going on!
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Ah, my ignorance is bliss!
Seriously, how many DVD's do I own by any of those? Seriously...I don't know. How many?
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greg_mitch
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| oliverg wrote: | | Less than a handful - from studios who’s commitment is slipping rapidly. |
Proof! Where is the proof! People are just hypothesizing that the studios want to switch but no one has said anything yet.
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MYoung
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If HD DVD ends up dying then I'm going to blame it on Daddy Day Camp being Blu-ray exclusive.
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| kal wrote: | | I'm starting to understand why some of the HD-DVD supporters don't think HD-DVD is dead. They have no idea what's going on or the impact of what's going on! |
OK, clearly things aren't looking too hot for HD DVD, but Oliver's list had quite a bit bull**** stirred in with serious issues.
He posted this list:
| oliverg wrote: | 1. Warner went Blu exclusive with a 5-month delay
2. Profile 2.0 discs hit the market... so far no widespread destruction of 1.0/1.1 players
3. New Line went Blu-Exclusive
4. HBO went Blu-Exclusive
5. Surround Records went from being HD-DVD exclusive to dual-format
6. Woolworths stopped selling HD-DVDs in their stores
7. Target is phasing out HD-DVD
8. Blockbuster stores are dropping HD-DVD
9. National Geographic went Blu-Exclusive
10. Sonic dropped support for HD-DVD
11. Senator Entertainment went Blu-Exclusive
12. Constantin went Blu-Exclusive
12. Digital Playground announced they are dropping support for HD-DVD
All bad news for HD-DVD, but what makes it worse is that all 12 of these things have happened in the last few months. Guess none of these companies expected the ace up HD-DVD's sleeve... a Super Bowl Commercial. |
First of all, HBO and New Line are both wholly owned subsidiaries of Time Warner, so obviously, they'd 'follow' the Time Warner defection. Duh. It's like saying Pontiac and Buick are following Chevrolet in adding some General Motors technology. Duh.
Next, I haven't heard anything about Target 'phasing out' HD-DVD. Do you have a source for that?
Next, the Blockbuster thing... That happened almost 8 MONTHS ago. They didn't drop HD DVD. They simply chose to roll out only BD into B&M stores just receiving HDM. Their on-line store and the stores already carrying HDM were not 'dropping' anything.
Next, Senator Entertainment - while certainly a big player in the German indie film segment - are but a flea speck on the world market. They have less than 60 employees and have one film - Enigma - that's cracked a million dollars at the box office. Saying they're a niche player is an understatement.
Next, Surround Records. This one is pathetic. It would have about as much bearing on the discussion if I issued my own press release that said Electric Crabb Productions was going dual-format or Blu-exclusive. One difference would be, that if I had my own website and store up, it wouldn't be full of typos and misspellings like the Surround Records site is. Seriously, check it out - it's bad. I'm not exaggerating when I say it's probably someone working out of their basement. I probably couldn't support my family with the gross sales from this company's products. This one is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Next, Digital Playground. They DID NOT announce they were dropping HD DVD. They added Blu-ray and according some German trade article, the founder said they planned to stop producing HD-DVD eventually, but would continue to produce for the format through the end of 2008. People didn't get it, so they then released a statement saying the article was wrong:
| Quote: | “We are currently producing both HD DVD and Blu-ray. HD DVD is still a viable market for us and we’re selling a lot of units. There are over a million players out there, so it may be perceived as ‘dead’ in the long term, but on an immediate basis, it’s still a viable market. We will continue to grow our Blu-ray business as well, and for us, it’s going to be a smooth transition if we have to go from one to the other. For the time being, we will continue to release our movies on HD DVD. We have a good, solid customer (HD DVD) base that is buying a healthy quantity, so until that number starts coming down, we will continue supporting it.”
-Digital Playground |
I'm betting the sales deltas aren't as large for them because unlike Cars, Ratatouille and Pirates of the Caribbean, HD porn probably isn't a big seller with the PS3 kiddies.
So, if I were to revise your list of doom for HD-DVD, I'd leave in the meaningful stuff and throw out the stupid sh*t:
1. Warner went Blu exclusive with a 5-month delay, subsidiaries New Line and HBO switch immediately
2. Surround Records went from being HD-DVD exclusive to dual-format
3. Woolworths stopped selling HD-DVDs in their stores
4. National Geographic went Blu-Exclusive
5. Sonic dropped support for HD-DVD
6. Constantin went Blu-Exclusive
The list of 13 becomes a list of 6 when you apply any reasonable amount of skepticism. I'm not saying it's not serious for HD DVD, but let's at least be honest about this sh*t instead of copy/pasting FUD from some fanboy's blog.
One thing that's really surprised me is how profound the effect of FUD in forums and blogs has been in this format war. I can't believe how many rumors, mischaracterizations, and outright lies I've read about the players and moves in this war. The stuff would spread like wildfire - as in less than a day - and then get repeated over and over and over for weeks in forums before it cold be refuted.
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emdawgz1
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More bad news for Hd-DVD
ECP or Electric Crabb Productions has just announced they are going BluRay exclusive!
We look forward to future releases from ECP
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CRT_Ben
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| Link Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | More bad news for Hd-DVD
ECP or Electric Crabb Productions has just announced they are going BluRay exclusive!
We look forward to future releases from ECP
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I dunno...
I'd be more of an issue for me if EMDA (EMDawgz Avatars) went Blu-exclusive...then again your current hottie is wearing red
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greg_mitch
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| ecrabb wrote: |
One thing that's really surprised me is how profound the effect of FUD in forums and blogs has been in this format war. I can't believe how many rumors, mischaracterizations, and outright lies I've read about the players and moves in this war. The stuff would spread like wildfire - as in less than a day - and then get repeated over and over and over for weeks in forums before it cold be refuted.
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Yeah, that is what I was saying, although you took way more time and researched it more than I cared. Thanks SC!
There are so many 'analysts' I realize it is hard to get your 'news' from a source and not question it.
I usually take the stance of, it is probably bull**** and then take my time researching it to come to the conclusion that it is in fact bull**** or it is true.
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You guys are all missing the point here.
Many people here are saying that it's no big deal that a lot of smaller companies are dropping HD-DVD because, well, they're "small". It really doesn't matter if a company is a "small" software company that grosses $200K/year or a "large" $5 billion/year movie studio. Big or small, they're all using the same judgement on where things are going to pick whether to support HD-DVD or not. THAT'S the important thing, and in the last 2 months many have announced that they're dropping HD-DVD while none are announcing that they're dropping Blu-ray.
Everyone else will follow suite. Big or small, doesn't matter. Money drives this whole industry and big or small everyone wants to make money. Doesn't matter if you hope to make $10 profit or $10 billion profit, the judgement is all the same. They will all make same choice as they want to make money. That choice is Blu-ray. The TREND is what is telling, not the size of company making the choice.
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I have just returned from a trip to Hong Kong expecting to see lots of electronic gear that we don't get in OZ. HD does not exist, Blu-ray is a very small player, they are still using VCD disks which are sold in major stores.
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There are so many 'analysts' I realize it is hard to get your 'news' from a source and not question it.
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I recognized the infamy of that technique whereby the movement carried on a campaign of mental terrorism against the HD-DVD, who are neither morally nor spiritually equipped to withstand such attacks. The tactics of Blue Ray consisted in opening, at a given signal, a veritable drum-fire of lies and calumnies against the man whom they believed to be the most redoubtable of their adversaries, until the nerves of the latter gave way and they sacrificed the man who was attacked, simply in the hope of being allowed to live in peace. But the hope proved always to be a foolish one, for they were never left in peace.
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Everyone else will follow suite. Big or small, doesn't matter. Money drives this whole industry and big or small everyone wants to make money. Doesn't matter if you hope to make $10 profit or $10 billion profit, the judgement is all the same. They will all make same choice as they want to make money. That choice is Blu-ray. The TREND is what is telling, not the size of company making the choice. |
The Blue Ray Machine knows how to create the impression that they alone are the protectors of the highest picture quality. In this way, acting very circumspectly but never losing sight of their ultimate goal, they conquer one position after another, at one time by methods of quiet intimidation and at another time by sheer daylight robbery, employing these latter tactics at those moments when public attention is turned towards other matters from which it does not wish to be diverted, or when the public considers an incident too trivial to create a scandal about it and thus provoke the anger of a malignant opponent.
These tactics are based on an accurate estimation of human frailties and must lead to success, with almost mathematical certainty, unless the other side also learns how to fight poison gas with poison gas. The weaker natures must be told that here it is a case of to be or not to be.
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| kal wrote: | You lost me there Ron. Sorry. 
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LOL...I think he as taken the term "War" perhaps too literally?
Maybe not though!
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Ron's plagiarizing from Mein Kampf again...
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