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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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Sorry Jeremy, with 50+ emails a day coming in and out, I don't remember. That's why I put 'spammed' in quotations, as I didn't really consider it spam.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Checking last post!!! Reply with quote

overclkr wrote:
Actually, yes, what size are the subs in the 6 big cabinets? What are the dimensions?

That looks like seriously killer sound. I would LOVE to hear my SACD and DVD Audio collection on that system.

How many watts per channel on the MC's?

Even with only 10K to one contrast, I would absolutely LOVE to see that Sony on a 20ft wide Cinemascope screen. Ken called me tonight. He calibrated a Runco VX 1080P 3 chip today. This guy is running just over 10ft wide 2:35 on a .9 gain screen.

Ken Measured over 40 FOOT LAMBERTS with that little bitch. Jesus that is bright.

What does yours measure? It's gotta be WAY the hell up there.

Cliff


Hi and thanks for your questions.

1. The 16 Cabinets are current stock Snell Sub-1800 18" passive subwoofers driven by 14 McIntosh MC-2102 tube amps and two No. 33H Mark Levenson Solid State Amplifiers controlled by the Theta Casablanca IIIc surround decoder fed by 13 Theta Generation VIII Stereo D/As.

2. Each MC-2102 is capable (with top end tubes) of 440 watts per channel. The final system is specked for 50 MC-2102.

3. Light output and on-screen contrast ratio are closely related to room MTF. Please think big screen like an IMAX or the large single screen theaters of 100' wide and larger as my model.

4. 40 foot-Lamberts is very (even extremely impressive) with proper calibration of color temperature, gamma, scaler function, MTF, screen gain, etc, and (of course) can be exceeded by many installations at the expense of contrast ratio and MTF. Not a good trade off in my opinion! But neither is having absurd contrast ratios of 10,000:1 with very low light levels on screen; < 14.5 foot-Lamberts.

5. As I indicated in an earlier post - 48.9 foot-Lamberts with somewhere around 2,956:1 ANSI Contrast Ratio is what I can produce, currently with the Sony SRX professional projector. However, other 2K projectors. 35mm Film (Academy Screening Grade - First Generation Hand Timed Print) with properly set-up projection , light collation, focus, aperture plate, keystone, etc. can have the ability to offer better specks in certain areas of performance.

I find (personally) that this Sony projector offers better fidelity overall, for my sensibilities.

But I would always offer a potential client the choice of several available technologies, and based upon feed back from CINERAMAX in AVSForum.com I will certainly offer my clients the opportunity of owning and viewing both a cutting edge DLP 2K design (or all three) along side the SRX-R platform and a Todd-AO DP-70 for 70mm and 35mm film playback on the same screen with identical light levels.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curt Palme wrote:
Sorry Jeremy, with 50+ emails a day coming in and out, I don't remember. That's why I put 'spammed' in quotations, as I didn't really consider it spam.


The world is complicated and a convoluted place!

But I hope to have a great dialog, no matter the topic, with anyone on the forum.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's Better than the Bridge of the Enterprise!


I sure would dispute this. I'd trade everything I have and will ever have to be on the bridge of the Enterprise - if it were real.

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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine the only person who frequents these haunts who might consider this spam (albeit: who could actually afford this) would be Mr. 100+ seat theater guy. I imagine you could make some extra income from this setup by renting it to the gov't for some Al Queida questioning sessions. Just keep cranking the volume until their ears bleed.
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PostLink    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's Better than the Bridge of the Enterprise!


I sure would dispute this. I'd trade everything I have and will ever have to be on the bridge of the Enterprise - if it were real.


... If it were real (and I have longed for that too) I would agree.

But as long as THE BRIDGE can only be a television set, or even an exact replica of the set plus bells and whistles to make it as perfect as possible, I'm afraid the screen size is simply too small (in my opinion) to properly appreciate cinema as it was intended by those who make it.

And if THE BRIDGE actually existed (we can hope) as part of a starship, I imagine we might all be doing something else in life . . . like cruising the COSMOS! Smile

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what Cliffy'd be doing in the holodeck Wink
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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a very impressive setup. Kudos to you.

Personally, as far as the video is concerned, the CR isn't high enough and its a little too bright for me. I agreee with ecrabb about the equipment beiing too "in your face" - although that's not to say that what you have there isn't "pretty". Certainly some of that tube gear to be works of art although I wonder about the THD on those puppies, tube "friendly to ears" sounding distortion or not.

When one mixes his/her HT with a music listening room, compromises have to be made. I would rather hide my Martin Logan Odysseys behind my screen and even my tube amps, but WAF means technology has to be "shiny"and "pretty" as well as functional.

Don't take what I'm saying too harshly, I do very much appreciate your work - it is clearly a masterful implementation but I daresay that most of us here could get 98% of the performance you have there at 20% of what you've paid. As far as the video side of things go, I look at someone like Gino's setup and I would much prefer to look at that than a 4k digital with its CR and lamp cost. Sound wise, having "surround"/"effects" speakers that good, with those McIntosh amps is sheer overkill. Once again, I say this to put some context on your setup, not as a criticism.

The LED lighting system looks great! Its certainly different.

Kind regards

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know what Cliffy'd be doing in the holodeck Wink


Cliff: "Computer - replicate 16 Sony G90 projectors. Set them up in a mixed over stacked, over blended array. Align them, converge them and calibrate them all using Ken Whitcomb's configuration program. Remove all drift. Place my seat in the optimal viewing position"

Cliff: "Computer, what porn do you have on file?"

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Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol

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PostLink    Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porn is no different in my mind than any other type of content I am willing to watch on the big screen. BTW, I was just in Victoria Secret this afternoon with the wife and those manikins are a little too revealing for young eyes. I joked about how they clinch their cheeks way more than the wife does during certain explorations. Razz
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PostLink    Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverg wrote:
AnalogRocks wrote:
I know what Cliffy'd be doing in the holodeck Wink


Cliff: "Computer - replicate 16 Sony G90 projectors. Set them up in a mixed over stacked, over blended array. Align them, converge them and calibrate them all using Ken Whitcomb's configuration program. Remove all drift. Place my seat in the optimal viewing position"

Cliff: "Computer, what porn do you have on file?"


Right G90's yeah that's the first thing that came to my mind lol Wink

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there a case of diminishing returns running a 5.1 or 7.1 source through a ... bazillion.whatever system? It's all well and good to have kick-ass components, but if your components kick more ass than the original source material it's pointless. As home theater nuts, it would seem that the best we can do is have an experience as good as you can expect in one of the best theaters (particularly where bass is concerned a lot are lacking due to bleed between theaters).

But all the audio tricks and positioning in the world won't make a 5.1 source anything but a 5.1 source. You could have a projection system that does perfect colors - but relative to what? The directors don't shoot perfectly; the prints aren't perfect. There's no particular reason any given theater has things perfect - so what perfection are we aiming to achieve, when there's no baseline? If you're in a grand prix, the benchmark is just winning. Go faster. It's clear when you've done it. But with this, the only benchmark is enjoyment, not adherence to a standard that doesn't exist.

My audio setup is a huge, disastrous kludge. It's temporary, and a lot of the worst stuff will get weeded out - but a lot will stay. I'm using an HTPC to drive seven different amplifiers, one for the fronts, one for the rears, one for the center, one as a preamp for the subs, one dedicated sub amp, and another that's just the sub portion of a logitech 100 watt powered sub run off the tape out. The amps are between 3 and 15 years old, the speakers are between 10 and 15 years old, and the center channel amp will cut out unless you balance the volume knob right.

The center speaker was crackling with a lot of low end, and the other *two* speakers I tried in their place were too lousy to deliver on the high end without shrieking. So I did the obvious: I have a Harman/Kardon 10-channel stereo EQ. I ran the center channel into the EQ's input left side, and then ran the tape (un-EQ'd; passthrough) left channel output of the EQ to the RIGHT side of the EQ. Now I have the center going to each side of the EQ. I then ran each output (EQ'd) channel to the aforementioned busted-ass Harman/Kardon amp, and (this gets even better) run the LEFT channel (which now has separate EQ from the right) to that speaker with the sparkly highs that can't handle mids. I EQ it to match the capability.

Then I run the RIGHT side to a speaker splitter I got in 1997 when the Kinko's I worked at changed their PA system. This splits the single speaker output from the right side of the amp into two speaker outputs; I run that to the two lousy tower speakers and set the EQ for THAT side to fill in the mids/lows.

The rest of the system isn't as crazy as that, but nearly so. The subwoofers are fun - one Cerwin Vega cabinet with a Pioneer 12" car audio sub, and another 12" pioneer in an old Advent speaker cabinet I ported. With a hole saw, the middle out of a one-liter mountain dew bottle and some duct tape. In addition, the two fronts are Cerwin Vegas with 12" drivers, and they go down to about 17hz, so I set up the matrix in my HTPC to drive the sub channel to those - they can handle about anything and they're being driven by a new, fairly beefy amp.

The bass is tighter, more controlled, and more earth-shaking than any theater I've been in.

And, all together, it kicks ass. I've been at quit a few very, very high end trade shows where they run $200k plus audio systems, and it's within 90%. Not 100% - hell no. But 90%. The bass is better than theaters because they just can't go that high, and the room's small. Nothing is being driven to 100%, all to maybe 50%, so distortion is low even though the speakers and amps are old.

So, how much have I lost compared to two hundred grand worth of speakers, carefully placed foam, and years of experience? When my friends come over they're blown away and are sputtering about the experience with disbelief the next day. I have a hell of a good time. And I spent $160. Total. The CRT PJ I'm using currently was actually free.

What exactly are we getting for our massive investment, then, when we set up multiple projectors carefully tuned, dozens of speakers, and so forth? Wouldn't we be better off putting that time into having fun with our friends, into enjoying the movies we apparently love so much?

What am I missing with my system with old, busted amps, speaker wire with mismatched impedance, and a projector with a fan that only turns on half the time, when I *still* have an experience that bests almost any commercial theater? And what am I missing when what matters is that with a comparatively minuscule investment of time and money, I can get it all done, invite my best friends over, crack open a mountain dew and a bag of cheesy popcorn, and watch a movie?

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

perisoft wrote:

What am I missing with my system with old, busted amps, speaker wire with mismatched impedance, and a projector with a fan that only turns on half the time, when I *still* have an experience that bests almost any commercial theater? And what am I missing when what matters is that with a comparatively minuscule investment of time and money, I can get it all done, invite my best friends over, crack open a mountain dew and a bag of cheesy popcorn, and watch a movie?



What are you missing???


Why did E.Hillary climb everest? Why do men journey to the top of the world, the bottom of the ocean.

Why do men trek deserts and jungles?

Why do we seek ht perfection? To have a perfect setup? no.

To build the best that you can.

In a lot of ways money takes the fun out of the game, the fun is in the research, the hunt the build, the frustrations...

the picture and sound...they are the goal, but the reward is in the doing.

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand your point; I certainly enjoy extracting what I can from what I have. But as you point out - infinite money makes it a bit of a pointless exercise. And again, the source is the key. When the source can't possibly measure up to the output, what's the point anymore? I could understand building something like this and also somehow putting together films, imax style, that truly utilized the ability of the output. But with 1080p 5.1 HDDVDs, it may be striving, but it's striving in the same way as machining the best magnesium rims in the world, and putting them on a busted-ass '92 Cutlass Supreme. Great, you made the best rims in the world that aren't any use for anything.

When Everest was scaled, it was an end in itself. But the end of a theater is the movie, the content, and without the movie to match the output, it all just seems like, for lack of a less colloquial term, pissing in the wind.
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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emdawgz1 wrote:
perisoft wrote:

What am I missing with my system with old, busted amps, speaker wire with mismatched impedance, and a projector with a fan that only turns on half the time, when I *still* have an experience that bests almost any commercial theater? And what am I missing when what matters is that with a comparatively minuscule investment of time and money, I can get it all done, invite my best friends over, crack open a mountain dew and a bag of cheesy popcorn, and watch a movie?



What are you missing???


Why did E.Hillary climb everest? Why do men journey to the top of the world, the bottom of the ocean.

Why do men trek deserts and jungles?

Why do we seek ht perfection? To have a perfect setup? no.

To build the best that you can.

In a lot of ways money takes the fun out of the game, the fun is in the research, the hunt the build, the frustrations...

the picture and sound...they are the goal, but the reward is in the doing.


WOW!!!!!! I'd hit it. Thumbs Up

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PostLink    Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oliverg wrote:
AnalogRocks wrote:
I know what Cliffy'd be doing in the holodeck Wink


Cliff: "Computer - replicate 16 Sony G90 projectors. Set them up in a mixed over stacked, over blended array. Align them, converge them and calibrate them all using Ken Whitcomb's configuration program. Remove all drift. Place my seat in the optimal viewing position"

Cliff: "Computer, what porn do you have on file?"


You know, I still yet have to purchase or rent a HDM porn title.

I never was too much into porn but man am I afraid to see it on my setup.

I could just see it now.

"Man in 30's found dead after wacking off to HD porn in his theater for 30 days straight."

Very Happy

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PostLink    Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Home Theater Magazine & AudioVision February 2008 Issues Reply with quote

Greetings Very Happy

I am delighted to announce the simultaneous publication of feature articles about the Kipnis Studio Standard - The 21st Century Screening Experience:





I hope you will all go out and have a look, and please visit our new updated website!

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