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KennyG
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| kal wrote: | I believe the card will have its own IR pickup but we'll wait for Moome to chime in on all these.... things will become clearer once we have pictures/manual/pricing/etc.
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Would like to know about this, right now I have the XG's pickup mounted outside my Hush box, and would assume in order to use the remote for this input card, it would also need to be mounted outside the H-box.
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kal
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Hi Kenny,
Most likely you'll have to do that. Actually the best way is to use IR repeaters and not try to hack or change the device in any way. I use a $50 Xantech "291-kit" to broadcast IR commands to a pile of devices including my Barco in the hushbox. If I had an XG and was using a Moome card, I'd get a dual head IR emitter:
Currently I have emitters on my preamp, lighting, Barco, PS3, HD-PVR, and soon to be added to my Moome EXT-HD.
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KennyG
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Outstanding!!! Thank You.
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KennyG
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You know, the more I think about the dual inputs the more it just doesn't make allot of sense to me.
What is to be gained by putting switching out at the pj?
In order to take advantage of HDMI 1.3 and it's lossless audio, switching is going to have to be done at the processor (or in most cases the receiver) So with the switching also in this card, that means the video signal is now going through two HDMI switchers...not to mention the fact that if you were going to use the input card's switcher, this would mean running two HDMI cables at a length of ??? (in my case 25 ft)
While the purist in me hates running any signal through a extra switching circuit, (or having to pay for it) at least with digital the only degradation is in my mind 
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I'd like to see the ability to make adjustments to porches and refresh rates etc. On my XG when I use my Moome DVI Input card, the image is not wide enough in 720p, and to wide in 1080p compared to 1080i placement.
I miss the flexibility of a HTPC, but love thge idea of this card. I guess I am going to have to stick with 1080i for the forseeable future.
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KennyG
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| yonexsp wrote: | I'd like to see the ability to make adjustments to porches and refresh rates etc. On my XG when I use my Moome DVI Input card, the image is not wide enough in 720p, and to wide in 1080p compared to 1080i placement.
I miss the flexibility of a HTPC, but love thge idea of this card. I guess I am going to have to stick with 1080i for the forseeable future. |
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This can't be done out at the input card, it needs to be done in the scaler (Lumagen's scalers can do it)
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yonexsp
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| KennyG wrote: | | yonexsp wrote: | I'd like to see the ability to make adjustments to porches and refresh rates etc. On my XG when I use my Moome DVI Input card, the image is not wide enough in 720p, and to wide in 1080p compared to 1080i placement.
I miss the flexibility of a HTPC, but love thge idea of this card. I guess I am going to have to stick with 1080i for the forseeable future. |
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This can't be done out at the input card, it needs to be done in the scaler (Lumagen's scalers can do it) |
Wasn't there a card from moonjong that had a scaler built into it for the Marquees last year?
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| yonexsp wrote: | | KennyG wrote: | | yonexsp wrote: | I'd like to see the ability to make adjustments to porches and refresh rates etc. On my XG when I use my Moome DVI Input card, the image is not wide enough in 720p, and to wide in 1080p compared to 1080i placement.
I miss the flexibility of a HTPC, but love thge idea of this card. I guess I am going to have to stick with 1080i for the forseeable future. |
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This can't be done out at the input card, it needs to be done in the scaler (Lumagen's scalers can do it) |
Wasn't there a card from moonjong that had a scaler built into it for the Marquees last year? |
yes! but it cost very much! and complex!
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| KennyG wrote: | You know, the more I think about the dual inputs the more it just doesn't make allot of sense to me.
What is to be gained by putting switching out at the pj?
In order to take advantage of HDMI 1.3 and it's lossless audio, switching is going to have to be done at the processor (or in most cases the receiver) So with the switching also in this card, that means the video signal is now going through two HDMI switchers...not to mention the fact that if you were going to use the input card's switcher, this would mean running two HDMI cables at a length of ??? (in my case 25 ft)
While the purist in me hates running any signal through a extra switching circuit, (or having to pay for it) at least with digital the only degradation is in my mind |
Moome, would you speak to this post, and the reasoning for dual inputs out at the pj?
Thank You, Kenny
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| KennyG wrote: | | KennyG wrote: | You know, the more I think about the dual inputs the more it just doesn't make allot of sense to me.
What is to be gained by putting switching out at the pj?
In order to take advantage of HDMI 1.3 and it's lossless audio, switching is going to have to be done at the processor (or in most cases the receiver) So with the switching also in this card, that means the video signal is now going through two HDMI switchers...not to mention the fact that if you were going to use the input card's switcher, this would mean running two HDMI cables at a length of ??? (in my case 25 ft)
While the purist in me hates running any signal through a extra switching circuit, (or having to pay for it) at least with digital the only degradation is in my mind |
Moome, would you speak to this post, and the reasoning for dual inputs out at the pj?
Thank You, Kenny |
dear Kenny:
all new hdmi chip have two input port! that's the reason!
if you wno't use another port, i can disable it for you!
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kal
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what Moome is saying is that the cost involved in having 2 inputs isn't much more than 1.
But Moome, then you also have to include a Remote, an IR receiver, etc... and all the testing/debugging that has to occur. Maybe an idea for a later model as Moome's nearly done the XG-FULLHD
Kal
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Has the price been announced for this? If so I guess I missed it somewhere.
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KennyG
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| Link Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| moome wrote: | | KennyG wrote: | | KennyG wrote: | You know, the more I think about the dual inputs the more it just doesn't make allot of sense to me.
What is to be gained by putting switching out at the pj?
In order to take advantage of HDMI 1.3 and it's lossless audio, switching is going to have to be done at the processor (or in most cases the receiver) So with the switching also in this card, that means the video signal is now going through two HDMI switchers...not to mention the fact that if you were going to use the input card's switcher, this would mean running two HDMI cables at a length of ??? (in my case 25 ft)
While the purist in me hates running any signal through a extra switching circuit, (or having to pay for it) at least with digital the only degradation is in my mind |
Moome, would you speak to this post, and the reasoning for dual inputs out at the pj?
Thank You, Kenny |
dear Kenny:
all new hdmi chip have two input port! that's the reason!
if you wno't use another port, i can disable it for you! |
Greetings Moome,
By disabling one of the ports, does this remove the switching circuit from the signal path?
If it does, that would be great!!!
If it does not, then it is not going to change the circuit, so there would be no need for the extra work.
Thank You for your time, and this idea...Kenny
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nzryan
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qoute "all new hdmi chip have two input port! " - sounds like all new hdmi chips have two input ports, so switching is done in the chip.. so no it would not cut anything out...
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| Link Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Toslink feature? |
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| kal wrote: | - Toslink output, supporting up to 2 channels of PCM (uncompressed) or 8 channels of compressed audio
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Not sure what to do with this feature.. I know the HDMI carries audio as well but it seems like the Toslink output provides the same functionality as a Toslink output would from the source (if the player was so equipped) and the same limitations (DD TrueHD limited to 2 channels). I guess it would give you the added coordination of switching audio and video in the same device. I do that now via remote control macro to set the projector input and then the AV pre/pro to the correct sound source.
Am I correct to assume the XG-FULLHD is not expected to output uncompressed multi-channel audio (DD TrueHD)? From the specs it seems it would accept the DD TrueHD multichannel audio and output it as 2 channel uncompressed audio via the Toslink.
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KennyG
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| Link Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Toslink feature? |
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| jarseneau wrote: | | kal wrote: | - Toslink output, supporting up to 2 channels of PCM (uncompressed) or 8 channels of compressed audio
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Not sure what to do with this feature.. I know the HDMI carries audio as well but it seems like the Toslink output provides the same functionality as a Toslink output would from the source (if the player was so equipped) and the same limitations (DD TrueHD limited to 2 channels). I guess it would give you the added coordination of switching audio and video in the same device. I do that now via remote control macro to set the projector input and then the AV pre/pro to the correct sound source.
Am I correct to assume the XG-FULLHD is not expected to output uncompressed multi-channel audio (DD TrueHD)? From the specs it seems it would accept the DD TrueHD multichannel audio and output it as 2 channel uncompressed audio via the Toslink. |
Yeah, I'm kinda wondering myself...on top of what seems to have become the endless wait, we have several features that just don't make any sense for some of us (maybe most of us???)
For those who have their pj hanging on the ceiling, how many are going to run 2 long HDMI cables to do their switching out at the pj? I wouldn't think anyone. Add to this the audio output capability...not sure who's going to run audio cables from their pj back to the receiver/processor that will actually be doing the HDMI swicthing
It seems that what would have been a well priced HDMI input card with manual gamma correction has now been upped to a price point that's not so reasonable anymore, and has several features that will (or may) not be used....it would have been nice to have the options other pj owners got.
But I need a HDMI card, and this is the only option I know of, so I'll take what I can get.
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kal
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| Link Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't use the audio feature. IMHO it's useless. Just feed your receivers directly from the source device as any sane person would. Why would you loop through to the projector first?
Do this:
Sources -> HDMI Cables -> Receiver -> HDMI cable -> XG_FULLHD card
Your receiver will handle the audio portion and the video gets passed on to the card in the XG.
My take is that the only reason the TOSlink is there is because it comes 'free' with the HDMI 1.3 chipset so Moome's including it. If you don't include it, you know someone will complain. 
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| Link Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Toslink feature? |
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| KennyG wrote: | | jarseneau wrote: | | kal wrote: | - Toslink output, supporting up to 2 channels of PCM (uncompressed) or 8 channels of compressed audio
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Not sure what to do with this feature.. I know the HDMI carries audio as well but it seems like the Toslink output provides the same functionality as a Toslink output would from the source (if the player was so equipped) and the same limitations (DD TrueHD limited to 2 channels). I guess it would give you the added coordination of switching audio and video in the same device. I do that now via remote control macro to set the projector input and then the AV pre/pro to the correct sound source.
Am I correct to assume the XG-FULLHD is not expected to output uncompressed multi-channel audio (DD TrueHD)? From the specs it seems it would accept the DD TrueHD multichannel audio and output it as 2 channel uncompressed audio via the Toslink. |
Yeah, I'm kinda wondering myself...on top of what seems to have become the endless wait, we have several features that just don't make any sense for some of us (maybe most of us???)
For those who have their pj hanging on the ceiling, how many are going to run 2 long HDMI cables to do their switching out at the pj? I wouldn't think anyone. Add to this the audio output capability...not sure who's going to run audio cables from their pj back to the receiver/processor that will actually be doing the HDMI swicthing
It seems that what would have been a well priced HDMI input card with manual gamma correction has now been upped to a price point that's not so reasonable anymore, and has several features that will (or may) not be used....it would have been nice to have the options other pj owners got.
But I need a HDMI card, and this is the only option I know of, so I'll take what I can get. |
Kenny you make some great points as always. My biggest concern will be the eventual price. If $400 is true I think I might have to pass, as that will cover the Dual HD/BD drive (LG $220 now) and new Video card for my HTPC so I won't need this card anymore, as I'll go back to using RGBHV as before.
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| Link Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'll see that these cards will get simplified and will be less expensive. ie; no display, manual gamma control, manual input switching etc.
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