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Corleone88
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 449 Location: France
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:58 pm Post subject: CRT and power supply |
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Hi,
Could we get a cleaner picture on our CRT pj if we 'filter' the electrical signal before entering the pj?
Thanks
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 17860 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there's a black and white answer to this that can be used in all situations.
Depends on how noisy your power is.
Depends on how your projector is designed (how well it rectifies/filters/uses power/etc).
Depends on how much the viewer notices too.
As an electrical engineer, I've never been big on the idea of power cleaning before feeding to products. If a product needs very clean power to operate correctly or look good, it should do something internally to ensure that the power is clean. Otherwise how the product behaves is too reliant or too tied to the mains power coming in.
The better the performance of the product the more closely they'll look at this (if it matters) and ensure that power cleanliness isn't an issue so it's generally not an issue on higher end products where they don't mind spending a bit of $$$ on clean rails. A $10 product on the other hand is probably going to have poor performance to begin with when compared to a $100 product that does the same thing so no point in applying clean power to that $10 product. It's not going to turn it into a $100 product. The customer buying the $10 product isn't gone to care anyway.
On devices that completely rectify the AC to DC on input, any pre-cleaning seems especially silly to me.
My 2 cents!
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Corleone88
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks (again) Kal
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Now that said, give it a go if you want, but make sure to let us know what you think along with the equipment you used and what you did!
I know there are lots of audiophiles that are deep into power conditioning / filtering equipment but I generally don't see the value and it's not because I don't want to spend the money... The irony is that some will throw a really expensive (high end) power conditioner in front of a really expensive (high end) piece of electronics that already has everything it thinks it needs to be top of the line in terms of power management. Kind of a waste of money if you ask me.
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5681 Location: Maryland
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Link Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:11 am Post subject: Re: CRT and power supply |
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Corleone88 wrote: | Hi,
Could we get a cleaner picture on our CRT pj if we 'filter' the electrical signal before entering the pj?
Thanks |
The so called external AC filtering devices are a waste and could be more of a problem for best image performance, because they use switching power conversion that creates much higher than 60hz interference problems for video. Plus, the video supplies in the projectors are already using these high frequency noise generators, where simply filtered 60hz (transformer) is less likely to pose a problem for analog video systems.
What can make an improvement to your systems overall video performance using external means, would be good building grounding.
Most of those electronic filters devices take a perfectly safe (for video signals) 60hz power and convert it to a much higher frequencies, where 60hz would pose no interference or noise problems. The Pulse Width frequency generators would be an additional high frequency interference device because their switching frequencies can be as high as 100Khz. And considering the projector already has a Pulse Width frequency noise generator that's known as the power supply, you'll be doubling your problems. This is also why most high end gear do not use Switch Mode power supplies in their preamps and some video stages. The better CD/DVD players if using a switching power supply it was only for the digital stages, where they also used a 60hz transformer for the analog stages. Most used transformers altogether instead of those cheap switching power supplies. If you notice, almost all transformer supplied devices do not have those filtering inductors that's used in all switching power supplies to suppress those high switching frequencies from being an interference problem on the AC line.
I learned a lot about this after taking an FCC Compliance class where they explained this in detail. Switch mode power supplies and computer circuits are the two main sources of interference once they have improved RF radio transmission using very high frequency low power transmitters. Balanced power (transformer) is good and makes sense because it offers better isolation from the rest of your residense and its still 60hz (which is not an transmittable interference problem).
The best fix of AC power would be to connect an 8 gauge ground wire from your main power box to a metal (in-ground) utility/water pipe. Also read up on IEEE Grounding.
If you look at the AC mains input of a switching power supply you will see a bunch of inductors and capacitors that make you think they are filtering the power into the switching power supply, when they are really there to block high frequencies from being transmitted into your environment and power lines.
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: CRT and power supply |
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mp20748 wrote: | The so called external AC filtering devices are a waste and could be more of a problem for best image performance, because they use switching power conversion that creates much higher than 60hz interference problems for video. |
Not all use switching. Some will simply go with (often very) large isolation transformers to completely separate their setup from the mains and other devices that may introduce noise on to the mains. No switching at all.
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