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mobutu
Joined: 28 Jun 2021 Posts: 4
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Link Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:53 pm Post subject: Denon AVR-2307 freeze/HDMI issue |
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Hi all,
First of all excuse my noobiness, I've stumbled on this forum by accident while searching for info related to my problem and there seem to be a lot of knowledge gathered here.
I have a Denon AVR-2307 which upon power on plays on the last analogue input selected but freezes when you try to select a different one. The HDMI in/outs are also dead. Composite & S-video in/outs work. Menus and OSD also work. Selecting a DSP program also causes freeze. I haven't tested any digital inputs yet.
I'm guessing its either a CPU and/or an HDMI board. But before deciding whether I should invest any money on it I thought to try and see if anyone has come across any similar issue. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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All I can tell you generally is that all HDMI receivers are prone to failures due to their complexity and how hot they run. Google 'Onkyo extended HDMI warranty' and see what you come up with.
My guess is that one of the chips on the HDMI board needs to be reballed, and that's simply not worth it. I've heard that Denon has really dropped in quality in the last 10-15 years, they were my go-to about 20 years ago. Onkyo and Pioneer both had rampant problems, and the Onkyo extended warranty thing is now long over, as of Dec 31, 2019.
IMHO- not worth repairing, sorry!
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mobutu
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'll probably just keep it as an analog amp.
Who knows, with the amount of failures I might be able to source cheap another faulty unit and play around with the boards.
Thanks.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is, it will likely be the same failure on the other units. It's why I got out of repairing flat screens about 10 years ago. When Samsung had the bad capacitor run for about 5 years (class action lawsuit ended up happening, google that for a fun read!), I could repair a ton of flat screens in 15 minutes each. It took longer to take the back off than it did repairing the sets).
Now it's either bad LEDs on the panels (I don't have hands small enough to replace the bad LEDs), or more likely, bad solder joints on the back of the main CPU chip(s). Not worth repairing, and the used boards on eBay that 'work fine' usually fail again within months.
But good luck!
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mobutu
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:09 am Post subject: |
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I know exactly what you mean. I have two problematic Samsung, a blinking monitor and a TV with vertical lines at the edges, both <10 years old. I guess size reduction (heat) and cost savings by driving components to their limits (capacitor voltages) led to this. Or is it planned obsolescence?
Either way, for products of this price range such a short lifespan is unacceptable. Denon & Samsung are already on my blacklist.
BR
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mp20748
Joined: 12 Sep 2006 Posts: 5681 Location: Maryland
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:20 am Post subject: |
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mobutu wrote: | ...for products of this price range such a short lifespan is unacceptable. Denon & Samsung are already on my blacklist.
BR |
I think the example of the flat screen TV was to get you to understand that they were not designed to be repaired at component level. Most are a bunch of cheap boards compactly put in a cheap metal bottom plate, that's not removable.
So if the design outcome is one where its near impossible to access critical test points, that creates the biggest problem that you cannot use meters and scope probes to find out what is wrong with it technically, because no thought went into the design for repair.
So outside of owning a bunch of spare boards to replace the suspected boards. There is no need for technical expertise
once you remove the cover because MOST are NOT Repairable items beyond board swap.
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mobutu
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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mp20748 wrote: | I think the example of the flat screen TV was to get you to understand that they were not designed to be repaired at component level. Most are a bunch of cheap boards compactly put in a cheap metal bottom plate, that's not removable. |
Thanks I know, that's been the standard for most consumer electronics for some time now.
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