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jrodefeld
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Link Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:43 am Post subject: Newbie interested in CRT projectors |
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I'm a complete newbie at home theater stuff, and I've never owned a projector of any kind.
However, I've recently developed an appreciation for CRT technology. I'm actually currently using a Sony GDM-FW900 monitor on my computer and I prefer it to any LCD I've ever used. There are just certain things that CRT does that newer technologies can't quite match.
I've kinda had an idea of one day building a dedicated home theater room with a projector. I've recently been seeing Sony G90 projectors showing up in my area for reasonable prices (under $1000) and I'm wondering whether to grab one at some point.
So, speaking to me like I'm a total idiot, could someone explain to me exactly what I'd need to set up a home theater room with a G90 projector? Specifically, I'm talking about what hardware I'd need to buy not how to install it all or calibrate it (I'll figure that out later).
1. What type of screen should I use?
2. Exactly how difficult is it to calibrate a CRT projector? And how often does it need to be tweaked? This is the thing I dread the most about building a CRT-based home theater.
3. Has anybody figured out a way to get 4k out of a CRT projector? What if you create a blend? If I understand correctly, blending seems superior to stacking.
Is it technically possible to blend more than two projectors?
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kal Forum Administrator
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 17860 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Audio_Geek_00
Joined: 07 Aug 2014 Posts: 82 Location: SF Bay Area
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:39 am Post subject: Newbie to CRT |
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Welcome to the forum! There are lots of folks here that wouldn't watch through anything else than CRT. The learning curve is a bit steep but there is lots of how-to's and people that can answer your questions. My experience has been that if you are persistent and patient you can enjoy some pretty remarkable viewing experiences. The G90 is close to the pinnacle of this technology and a good place to start if you can find a good unit with little to no burn-in on the tubes.
Because these units were setup for broadcast standard interfaces you would need a Moome HDMI card to talk to your Blu-ray/DVD player or receiver or a scalar/video processor with the requisite BNC RBGHV outputs. The Moome card works really well and is relatively inexpensive ($200-300).
There are lots of screen options. The better the screen the better the image. You'll find that there are various screen types to chose from. These are usually differentiated by gain and material type. Gain for a G90 could be 1:1 to 1:3 (it slightly amplifies the light). I use a Stewart Filmscreen Studiotek 130 (1:3 gain) currently. There are cheaper brands available that do a descent job, even screen paints are available but I have no experience with them.
Setting up a CRT projector can be a bit tedious. Once you have it mounted at the correct distance (the manual for the G90 has that information and is also available on this site) to your relative screen size (a bit of a challenge to make sure it is square and level to your screen location) then you embark on the focusing and convergence. The link Kal provided gives you the details of that. Calibration can be done by you but it really helps to have someone with the knowledge and the equipment to get the best image possible. Having said that I have replaced the tubes in my Sony and was successful getting the unit up and running with the help of the good people here.
All of this really relies upon the ability to find a good unit that has a low hour chassis and good tubes. Unfortunately you have come into the hobby in its twilight years. Parts are harder to come by. Finding people to service them is almost impossible so if you can't diagnose the problem or if you can then finding the parts is getting harder. The hardcore folks here have a cache of parts to maintain their gear in order to keep going down the road. Curt has helped me many times in the past with diagnosis and spare parts.
The prerequisite to CRT projection is you have to love it enough that you are willing to put in the work. Once setup they typically will be stable where only small tweaking is required occasionally. They are well built and last quite a long time.
The G90 is 2500 x 2000 line resolution so true 4k isn't possible but depending on screen size 1080p looks outstanding. You can ask Curt about blending. Personally I wouldn't try it but it has been done.
Tim
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jmetal88
Joined: 06 Apr 2017 Posts: 108
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Newbie to CRT |
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Audio_Geek_00 wrote: |
Because these units were setup for broadcast standard interfaces you would need a Moome HDMI card to talk to your Blu-ray/DVD player or receiver or a scalar/video processor with the requisite BNC RBGHV outputs. The Moome card works really well and is relatively inexpensive ($200-300). |
A cheaper option (what I use) is an active HDMI-to-VGA converter with a VGA-to-BNC breakout cable.
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24305 Location: Langley, BC
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Beware of cheap Chinese HDMI to analog (VGA) converters. While some work, most won't be able to deal with the HDCP copyright protection, and you'll get no picture.
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jmetal88
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Curt Palme wrote: | Beware of cheap Chinese HDMI to analog (VGA) converters. While some work, most won't be able to deal with the HDCP copyright protection, and you'll get no picture. |
That's true. I may have gotten lucky with mine as it seems to have no problem with my Blu-Ray player. It looks like the brand I bought is no longer available, but it was nearly identical to this one: https://amzn.to/2JIzxmf
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Curt Palme wrote: | Beware of cheap Chinese HDMI to analog (VGA) converters. While some work, most won't be able to deal with the HDCP copyright protection, and you'll get no picture. |
Never mind the quality of the image. I'd say on a lower end Sony 1272, maybe you don't care as much, but on a high end G90 you really want the best signal possible.
Moome's cards are tuned for the projector they're for as well (Sony, Barco, Electrohome, NEC XG) and offer gamma boost which (IMHO) is absolutely required on a CRT projector.
My 2 cents.
Kal
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jmetal88
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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kal wrote: | Curt Palme wrote: | Beware of cheap Chinese HDMI to analog (VGA) converters. While some work, most won't be able to deal with the HDCP copyright protection, and you'll get no picture. |
Never mind the quality of the image. I'd say on a lower end Sony 1272, maybe you don't care as much, but on a high end G90 you really want the best signal possible.
Moome's cards are tuned for the projector they're for as well (Sony, Barco, Electrohome, NEC XG) and offer gamma boost which (IMHO) is absolutely required on a CRT projector.
My 2 cents.
Kal |
Can you elaborate on how gamma boost improves the picture (beyond what the controls on the projector can do on their own)?
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kal Forum Administrator
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jmetal88
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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kal wrote: | jmetal88 wrote: | Can you elaborate on how gamma boost improves the picture (beyond what the controls on the projector can do on their own)? |
CRT projectors have no gamma boost controls, at least no the type what we are referring to when we talk about gamma boost.
See this article in the Moome card subforum: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5416
Lots of info in our calibration guide too and how it all fits in with calibration/recreating the perfect picture:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35322
Kal |
Ah, okay. I only needed the first couple of sentences in your article to 'get it'.
It might be worth getting one of those cards to check out, although I haven't been particularly dissatisfied with my picture as-is.
Then again, maybe my curved silver screen is helping some with that already.
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kal Forum Administrator
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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My experience has been that gamma boost is one of those things where you don't realize what you're missing, unless you no longer have it. For anyone that calibrates their display, the results are obvious on their resulting graphs that show a poor gamma curve (not coming out of black fast enough) but seeing it is obvious. End result is a dull/lifeless image and the most obvious is missing low light detail - per the screenshots from the first of my previous links:
(Though looking at those today they're somewhat exaggerated I think, but you get the idea) .
Kal
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jmetal88
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Link Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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kal wrote: | My experience has been that gamma boost is one of those things where you don't realize what you were missing, unless you no longer have it. For anyone that calibrates their display, the results are obvious on their resulting graphs that show a poor gamma curve (not coming out of black fast enough). End result is a dull/lifeless image and the most obvious is missing low light detail.
Kal |
Hmm... Maybe I should see what kind of results I get from setting up gamma correction on my HTPC (which is hooked up via native VGA) so I can decide if a card that does it is worth it to me.
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